Dumb AP with linksys e8450 / Belkin RT3200 occasionaly client associates but no connectivity

Lynx · May 6, 2022, 9:21pm

What's the default? This page:

suggests DTIM of 3.

anon78773196 · May 6, 2022, 9:39pm

ok i has a problem in my all connection google android tv samsung iphone

idon't have access to luci with openwrt 2.4 ghz after i do'nt know why

Lynx · June 13, 2022, 10:56am

@nkef, @_FailSafe and @darksky any progress made?

If it's relevant, I see tons of these on all my AP's:

root@OpenWrt:~# iw event -f -t
1655117455.861487: wlan0-1 (phy #0): unknown event 60
1655117532.870205: wlan0-1 (phy #0): unknown event 60
1655117532.883033: wlan0-1 (phy #0): unknown event 60
1655117536.831729: wlan0-1 (phy #0): unknown event 60
1655117536.841423: wlan0-1 (phy #0): unknown event 60
1655117540.837648: wlan0-1 (phy #0): unknown event 60
1655117540.926989: wlan0-1 (phy #0): unknown event 60
1655117540.938121: wlan0-1 (phy #0): unknown event 60

But issue remains - iPhone loses connectivity pending manual WiFi disconnect and reconnect. Is it that iPhone cannot recover from a WiFi sleep?

An earlier 22.03 snapshot fixed the issue for me and my wife got made at me for upgrading the snapshot because the issue came back.

_FailSafe · June 13, 2022, 2:58pm

I was actually just thinking about this over the weekend. For an unrelated reason, I switched back to using usteer (from DAWN) a couple weeks ago. This weekend I also realized my Apple device disconnect issue has not be occurring. Now, I'm not here blaming the issue on DAWN, but I am pointing out something that appears like a correlation.

FWIW, here are some details:

Summary

root@AP-Office:~# cat /etc/os-release
NAME="OpenWrt"
VERSION="SNAPSHOT"
ID="openwrt"
ID_LIKE="lede openwrt"
PRETTY_NAME="OpenWrt SNAPSHOT"
VERSION_ID="snapshot"
HOME_URL="https://openwrt.org/"
BUG_URL="https://bugs.openwrt.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://forum.openwrt.org/"
BUILD_ID="r19792-f03b20837b"
OPENWRT_BOARD="mediatek/mt7622"
OPENWRT_ARCH="aarch64_cortex-a53"
OPENWRT_TAINTS="no-all busybox"
OPENWRT_DEVICE_MANUFACTURER="OpenWrt"
OPENWRT_DEVICE_MANUFACTURER_URL="https://openwrt.org/"
OPENWRT_DEVICE_PRODUCT="Generic"
OPENWRT_DEVICE_REVISION="v0"
OPENWRT_RELEASE="OpenWrt SNAPSHOT r19792-f03b20837b"

root@AP-Office:~# dmesg | grep -i firmware
[    0.000000] psci: PSCIv1.1 detected in firmware.
[   14.838418] mt7622-wmac 18000000.wmac: N9 Firmware Version: 2.0, Build Time: 20200131180931
[   15.036309] mt7915e 0000:01:00.0: WM Firmware Version: ____000000, Build Time: 20211222184052
[   15.095022] mt7915e 0000:01:00.0: WA Firmware Version: DEV_000000, Build Time: 20211222184111

Lynx · June 13, 2022, 3:21pm

Ah - could it be that this issue is resolved in master snapshot but not 22.03 snapshot? For me it was fixed in an earlier 22.03 snapshot than the present 22.03 snapshot (r19424-3b90edaff9), so perhaps there was a regression.

If you're not seeing this issue anymore on master snapshot perhaps I should try that too.

By the way how does your issue manifest exactly? At our end it seems my wife randomly picks up iPhone and then tries internet and no connectivity. So she disconnects and reconnects to WiFi manually, which restores it. Is that what you grappled with too?

The problem with these WiFi issues is that there seem to be the potential for lots of different issues all at the same time.

I don't see this issue at all on my Pixel 3a or laptop.

_FailSafe · June 13, 2022, 8:05pm

I switched back over to DAWN for the moment to see if the issue returns. Will report back in a day or two, or sooner if the issue reoccurs.

_FailSafe · June 14, 2022, 1:37am

Do you see this type of verbiage in your logs when the issue is occurring?
daemon.info dawn: Client <your client MAC>: Kicking due to low active data transfer: RX rate 6.000000 below 6 limit

Lynx · June 14, 2022, 5:42am

I'm not using dawn at the moment. I just had a look at the dawn documentation and it looks quite clever (e.g. sharing info across AP's to determine best current AP).

_FailSafe · June 14, 2022, 1:13pm

Ah! Okay, so sounds like we can cross DAWN off the list of suspects at this point. Perhaps the fix for this issue was in one of the many mt76 commits that has occurred within snapshot as of late.

nkef · June 14, 2022, 2:26pm

I am still using the remedy script, occasional disconnects and reconnects still occur i have not checked if it is the same issue. I am on OpenWrt 22.03.0-rc1.

Lynx · June 14, 2022, 2:27pm

Have you tried playing around with max_inactivity? See here, and especially:

Adding to this, as I spent the last 2 days debugging why my phone was not doing "fast" (<2m) A->B->A AP transitions (WPA-PSK): some clients do not disassociate/deauth from the old station even after associating to the new one (my OnePlus 5 Android 10.0 phone seems to do this).
My understanding was that at least in FT-over-DS via communication to the old AP, this case should have been covered by hostapd, but it's not.
Going A->B works perfectly, but since the client is never deauth/disassociated from A after the transition, going back to A before max_inactivity kicks in on AP A means the client will not reassociate to A, because A expects the old key and Client uses a new one I suppose (and it's still registered in the kernel, you can observe the infamous "Could not set STA to kernel driver" error until the client decides to re-do the entire handshake properly).
Lowering max_inactivity to 15 seconds allowed me to mostly work around this issue.

github.com/openwrt/openwrt

FS#3159 - 802.11r default settings are inappropriate, need to change two default settings

opened 03:57PM - 07 Jun 20 UTC

openwrt-bot

flyspray

*bdiggs:* Enabling 802.11r in LuCI auto populates with two default settings tha…t break 802.11r functionality for most devices (though tested extensively on latest Apple iOS devices). Bug: The current defaults for FT Protocol (FT Over DS) and Reassociation Deadline (1000) break iOS and other devices support for 802.11r. Solution: Change the current default for FT Protocol to **FT over the air** and for Reassociation Deadline to **20000**. Support for these new defaults: According to papers from Cisco (https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/td/docs/wireless/controller/technotes/8-6/Enterprise_Best_Practices_for_iOS_devices_and_Mac_computers_on_Cisco_Wireless_LAN.pdf) FT over the air is the method supported by Apple devices and recommended. Furthermore, Cisco's Reassocation Deadline is a default value of 20 seconds (https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/controller/technotes/80211r-ft/b-80211r-dg.html), which would translate to roughly 20000 when used as an OpenWRT setting. My testing confirms the OpenWRT default values do not work with iOS (FT Over DS is not recognized, and if FT over the air is used with the original Reassocation Deadline of 1000 (roughly 1 second) transition is badly broken as devices will get kicked from their initial AP before associating with the next AP, which removes them from WiFi completely). For one final piece of support, the 802.11r implementation used with Ubiquity systems is also FT Over the Air: https://community.ui.com/questions/802-11r-question/743b903c-3ad1-4ab6-897f-ebc24269130d I am unsure of their Reassocation Deadline default but I have found the setting of 20000 (which matches Cisco) to work very well in my testing.

nkef · June 14, 2022, 2:28pm

@_FailSafe I was also planning to use Dawn can you provide the configuration you are using?

Lynx · June 14, 2022, 2:29pm

Isn't dawn a kind of a hack vs the standards though? Is there not a way to achieve the same functionality without using it? Like with one or more of the 802.11.x features?

_FailSafe · June 14, 2022, 5:48pm

This is probably not the right thread to debate the worthiness of dawn in great depth. But, I think the thing to remember with dawn is that part of its usefulness is that it implements 802.11k. Therefore, it offers data to wifi clients about neighboring APs, but allows clients to make their own decisions about if/when to roam as a result of the 802.11k data.

But I'm not an expert on all that. I honestly don't see much advantage of dawn over usteer right now. FWIW, usteer feels more lightweight (in a good way) and also supports IPv6.

_FailSafe · June 14, 2022, 5:50pm

I have implemented this setting update previously (using 20000 for the value) and have been running with it for a while. But it did not seem to have a bearing on the disconnects I was seeing with Apple devices.

cmonroe · July 1, 2022, 9:49pm

I think the majority (or at least some) of the E8450 2G issues mentioned here were due to a TX queue that was getting stuck. @nbd pushed updated firmware to mt76 this morning that should resolve this. If you are still having issues it's worth giving this a shot.

nkef · July 2, 2022, 9:34am

Thank you for the heads up, lets hope it will land to OpenWrt 22.03 soon.

nbd · July 2, 2022, 3:05pm

Pushed the fix out to master and 22.03

_FailSafe · July 3, 2022, 1:21pm

Have you heard of any regression with the updated firmware? I refreshed my RT3200 build up to commit 24eee4b244 yesterday and ended up in a spot where I think a radio was crashing repeatedly.

I went back to my prior build (aae3a8a254) and confirmed everything was back to normal again. I upgraded to a build at 04545c4325 and confirmed all is well. Both of these builds have N9 Firmware Version: 2.0, Build Time: 20200131180931.

The behavior I was seeing with the new firmware was this:

For more context, 192.168.45.5 is the next hop (my OpenWrt gateway) beyond all my RT3200 APs.

Below is a redacted copy of my wireless config. This is an identical config on all three of my RT3200 APs, except for channel numbers. All three APs on the same build (24eee4b244), including the updated firmware, seemed to exhibit this behavior with all clients. Unfortunately, I was not in a great spot to do a lot of deep troubleshooting in logs to confirm the exact cause.

Wireless Config:

Summary

config wifi-device 'radio0'
	option type 'mac80211'
	option path 'platform/18000000.wmac'
	option band '2g'
	option htmode 'HT20'
	option country 'US'
	option cell_density '0'
	option log_level '1'
	option channel '1'
	option txpower '20'

config wifi-device 'radio1'
	option type 'mac80211'
	option path '1a143000.pcie/pci0000:00/0000:00:00.0/0000:01:00.0'
	option band '5g'
	option country 'US'
	option cell_density '0'
	option htmode 'HE80'
	option he_bss_color '1'
	option log_level '1'
	option channel '44'
	option txpower '11'

config wifi-iface 'default_radio0'
	option device 'radio0'
	option network 'lan'
	option mode 'ap'
	option key '<redacted>'
	option dtim_period '3'
	option ieee80211r '1'
	option ft_over_ds '0'
	option ft_psk_generate_local '1'
	option reassociation_deadline '20000'
	option ieee80211k '1'
	option ieee80211v '1'
	option bss_transition '1'
	option encryption 'psk2+ccmp'
	option ieee80211w '1'
	option max_inactivity '15'
	option ssid '<redacted>'
	option mbo '1'

config wifi-iface 'default_radio1'
	option device 'radio1'
	option network 'lan'
	option mode 'ap'
	option key '<redacted>'
	option dtim_period '3'
	option ssid '<redacted>'
	option ieee80211r '1'
	option ft_over_ds '0'
	option ft_psk_generate_local '1'
	option reassociation_deadline '20000'
	option ieee80211k '1'
	option ieee80211v '1'
	option bss_transition '1'
	option encryption 'psk2+ccmp'
	option ieee80211w '1'
	option max_inactivity '15'
	option mbo '1'

config wifi-iface 'wifinet2'
	option device 'radio1'
	option mode 'ap'
	option ssid '<redacted>'
	option key '<redacted>'
	option network 'GUEST'
	option dtim_period '3'
	option ieee80211r '1'
	option ft_over_ds '0'
	option ft_psk_generate_local '1'
	option reassociation_deadline '20000'
	option ieee80211k '1'
	option ieee80211v '1'
	option bss_transition '1'
	option encryption 'psk2+ccmp'
	option ieee80211w '1'
	option max_inactivity '15'
	option mbo '1'

config wifi-iface 'wifinet4'
	option device 'radio0'
	option mode 'ap'
	option ssid '<redacted>'
	option key '<redacted>'
	option dtim_period '3'
	option ieee80211r '1'
	option ft_over_ds '0'
	option ft_psk_generate_local '1'
	option network 'GUEST'
	option reassociation_deadline '20000'
	option ieee80211k '1'
	option ieee80211v '1'
	option bss_transition '1'
	option encryption 'psk2+ccmp'
	option ieee80211w '1'
	option max_inactivity '15'
	option mbo '1'

config wifi-iface 'wifinet5'
	option device 'radio0'
	option mode 'ap'
	option ssid '<redacted>'
	option key '<redacted>'
	option dtim_period '3'
	option ieee80211r '1'
	option ft_over_ds '0'
	option ft_psk_generate_local '1'
	option network 'IOT'
	option reassociation_deadline '20000'
	option ieee80211k '1'
	option ieee80211v '1'
	option bss_transition '1'
	option encryption 'psk2+ccmp'
	option ieee80211w '1'
	option max_inactivity '15'
	option mbo '1'

nbd · July 3, 2022, 1:37pm

Please do this for debugging, before triggering the problems:
for f in /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/*/mt76/fw_debug; do echo 1 > $f; done
Afterwards, capture a log of the kernel messages that show up