Working mini pci-e Wireless card not detected on 3 different mini routers issue

Hi got a weird issue, 3 different mini routers from cwwk and topton, 2 are brand new.

Zero detection of the Wallys MT7915 mini pcie card on any of the 3 mini routers, windows 10/11 won't see any missing or installed devices, openwrtx86 with MT7915 firmware and driver also installed and rebooted.

I know the wallys card is fine, since I can plug it into an old Asrock desktop PC and openwrtx86 finds it straight away and wireless works and so does windows 10/11 (missing pci device).

I did try to enable every pci device and bios option to "on" or "enabled" but no luck, also updated the cwwk both units with latest bios and still no detection of the card.

Does anyone else have any idea on what the issue maybe?

There is always a possibility that PCI lines are not present on the mPCIe connector.
If they are there, there is a possibility that &pcie is not enabled in the DTS. It will be useful to know which router model you are testing with.
There is no need to install drivers, you just need to run lspci.

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thanks, I have Cwwk CW-N11V10 and also Cwwk CW-N11V30, there N5105 with 6 intel i226 ethernet ports. These ones here

And the topton is an N100 with 6 intel i226 ethernet ports listed here

lspci does not show any wallytech wireless card, just the existing Intel i226 ports.

The wally wifi card does get warm so it feels like its on but not on on due to no detection.

I could take a close up picture of the mini-pcie slots if that helps?

Appreciate the help

I guess the mPCIe slots you have are limited to USB only.
You can check if there are any traces coming to pins 23,25,31,33 but keep in mind that the same pins are used for USB3. I would expect to see that these pins are not further connected on the PCB.

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here is the Cwwk CW-N11V10 slot up close:

and

Cwwk N11V30

Sadly not sure where to begin with checking traces etc

There are a few guys with similar 4 port i226 routers (N5105/N100) (cwwk and topton) and they don't have any issue with this same wally card so it is a bit confusing.

I have got an M2 slot to mini pcie adaptor coming tomorrow, this one here

Not sure if it will work but can return it easily.

While I haven't the specs of your specific wlan card, keep in mind that these typically exceed the maximum power requirements specified for mini-PCIe/ M.2 (often 10 watts on 3.3V).

The SIM card slot in your photo does hint that the mini-PCIe port might be USB-only.

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thanks, that is interesting about the sim card that is built on.

The Topton N100 mini pc that I got 2 weeks ago does not have that sim slot built in.

But also this one does not see the wally card either.

So I don't think I could just look for a mainboard or router without the sim slot, I have tried to email/pm a few wally tech card owners to find out what exact model they have but none have got back to me, from their previous post they appear to have got 4 intel nic routers. All 3 of mine are 6 intel nic routers.

Hi.
These PCI slots with SIM slot are USB only as @AndrewZ said.
I saw that kind of implementation on several mikrotik board: I use these 2: stx_lte6 and, RB912R-2nD. And gl.inet use USB bus too.
Booth of them use USB bus for 3G/Lte modem.
Get any 3g/4g module and test it on your devices.

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thx, I still am unsure if 4 port cwwk or topton type routers will also use usb sim slots, since there are a few topton 4 nic owners that have working wireless cards in their mini pci-e slots.

Its perhaps something no one has compared, but in the future if I do get an 4 port nic router I will give it a test and try.

My work around was to get an: Heayzoki Mini PCIE to M.2 (NGFF) Key M Adapter, Adapter Card Mini PCIE to NGFF(M.2) Key M Network Converter for Win10/8/7/2000/ for Linux
this one here

Looks like this:

Was very hard to search on aliexpress, amazon and ebay, since you end up with several different slots or the smaller E wireless keys, so triple check its the right connections for your nvme port and that it supports mini pci-e wireless cards.

I cut the end tab off where the gold circle part is with pre cut lines, with some scissors and now its screwed in and sits flush.

Not ideal to lose an nvme slot but the sata port is there and so is usb for storage.

Wireless is now working, if I do ever get an 4 nic router I will test it if it has an compatible working slot for mini pci wireless cards or if its just for usb 3g/4g modems.

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What does it mean "mini-PCIe port might be USB-only"

I have a cwwk mini computer x86 i7-1165G7 TigerLake and I am having the same issue: MIni-PCIe wireless card is not listed on lspci but it is strange because the i7 definitely has enough PCI lines for the port. Perhaps it is something different?

Only USB pins are connected/wired.

Could you expand your answer? not sure how mini-PCIe and USB has in common. Thank you in advance.

The Mini-PCIe slot is designed to carry PCIe and USB signal lines, ideally those are both connected, but you will often find boards that carry only one or the other. Especially if the slot is intended for LTE/ 4g/ 5g modems, it often lacks the PCIe lanes and carries only USB signals (cheaper to design, less traces on the PCB); if the board in question has a SIM card slot, chances are that this is the case.

Even if that isn't the case, the board might not provide enough current on the 3.3V rail of the Mini-PCIe slot, as 802.11ac and even more 802.11ax WLAN cards are drawing over 3A on 3.3V (which is beyond specs and also poses a cooling problem).

Thank you very much for this; this is more clear...
I was able to reach manufacturer and they have replayed:

"Hello, this only supports msata"

What do you think it means? I asked about the miniPCIe port - Thank you in advance.

Edit: It seems like manufacturer is backtracking their answer since board website actually advertise as "1x Mini PCle". Their new answer is:

This is a Wi-Fi connection

This gives some hope.

that means it's only wired for hosting storage devices.

M.2 uses different keying for that, with mini-PCIe vs mSATA this was a real mess - same connector, totally different signals.

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…and the M.2 keying is far from pure gold either.

Any alternative to make the mini-PCIe wireless card like MT796N AW7916-NPD AX300 to work on that mSATA port? or it is actually dead if it is already connected since it is different signals? it is quite hot to the touch.

Perhaps using the M.2 port that also this motherboard has. Thanks.

Sure, if you manage to convert it into a drive.