Questions about Dell EMC SD-WAN Edge 6x0

Hi,
the next generation of velocloud device, Dell EMC SD-WAN Edge, can be found at a reasonable price considering the hardware :

The edge 620, with 2 SFP+ and quad core Atom C3558 @ 383€ :heart_eyes:
But I wonder about this sentence: No Dell OS Installed
what does it mean?

And about this in the item page :

Additional Information : Supports Native Linux OS provided by the VNF partners. Supports KVM or ESXi hypervisors

Does it mean we can install what we want on it ?? Like Openwrt ? even if it's inside ESXi ?

If you only need a router, one WAN and LAN port, look at the Dell Edge 5000 and 5100 too.

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I would be more interested in a 10gb capable device, as now in my country many providers are offering fiber at 8Gbps.
btw it's not 383€ as i said above, but 470€ when you add taxes and shipping. that's less interesting now but for the price it's still better (because of the 2x SFP+) than any aliexpress mini-PC.

But the problem is : What OS is runing or can we make runing on this device ? Can it be fully managed or it has to be tied to an orchestrator (like veloclouds)?

I bought an Edge 610 for €125, but unfortunately it arrived DOA. However, for anything over €200 I don't think these devices are worth it, even if you can get any OS to run on them. The C3000 series is still a cheap Atom-based chip at heart, and now over 6 years old. I highly highly doubt it will be able to route anything near 10 Gbit.

You'll probably have more success at a much more reasonable price when looking for younger thin clients. For example, a Dell Wyse 5070 on eBay for €149. Buy an Intel X520 or Mellanox 10 Gbit SFP card, and you'll have a much more powerful device for ~€200. The J5005 is still an Atom-based core, but with a more recent microarchitecture and more performant (still no 10 Gbit routing performance though).

For the price of that Edge 620 you'll probably even be able to find an HP t740 with a Ryzen Embedded V1756B if you have some patience. That will blow any embedded device out of the water.

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from another forum someone pointed me to this :

Dell EMC SD-WAN Edge 640 is a C3758 CPU It uses the same Motherboard as the VEP-1445.

However if you change the OS, it will boot loop. You must install the BIOS from the VEP-1445 onto the SD WAN if you want your own OS.

To Flash the BIOS you need to first flash the Dell Recovery OS from the VEP-1445 to the eMMC of the SD-WAN. Once booted to the recovery OS you can then flash BIOS.

@Goosens thank you for your comment ! I didn't think these atoms were so weak.

They are capable of 1 GBit/s for 'normal' use cases and a few ports, better than the venerable jaguar cores from AMD, but I wouldn't expect anything beyond that.

so they added SFP+ ports only for the markting ?

So, for those who are still interested about this router, just got an answer from the website selling the device.
To the question : can we install the OS we want in this device, the answer is he answered this :

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I'd be careful with accepting such statements from a vendor of refurbished goods... They probably just assume any OS will work, without having tested it themselves. They might very well not be aware of watchdogs, etc. They just want to sell...

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i agree with you, i replaced the answer is, with he answered this.

As we're seeing with the velocloud devices, there are predominantly two areas of potential problems:

  • watchdog (this is usually more easy to sort out)
  • custom circuitry connecting (managed onboard-) switch chipsets to a normal onboard network card, this is the part that usually needs real development and mainlining the resulting driver adaptions (which is not easy)

If you look at the Sophos SG/ XG, pcengines or gateprotect devices, it is entirely possible to design the hardware with individual (onboard) network cards adding up to ~4 1000BASE-T ports - the managed switch option is just cheaper and can allow (relatively) more ports, while also offloading some of the traffic from the SOC to the switch fabric. I have not looked into the Dell EMC SD-WAN Edge 6x0 in detail, but it's entirely possible that they've designed this generation this way - and that OpenWrt (Debian, Fedora/ RHEL, etc.) just work on this hardware - it would have saved them a lot of software development time, at the expense of higher production costs (but also gaining marketability in the RHEL (and friends) server market).