802.11ax Routers

AVM FRITZ!Repeater 6000

AVM just announced their Fritz Repeater 6000. If box matrix is to be believed (https://boxmatrix.info/wiki/FRITZ!Repeater_6000) it is based upon the IPQ8074 SoC:

  • Powerful 4 x 4 tri-band repeater with Wi-Fi 6
  • 12 antennas for maximum Wi-Fi range and coverage
  • Intelligent Mesh Wi-Fi for multiple mobile devices such as TVs, game consoles
  • Extends any Wi-Fi network, from FRITZ!Box to a provider router
  • 2.5 Gbit/s and 1 Gbit/s ports for convenient networking

Seems like a nice base for a repeater.

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220 euros...a little pricey for a repeater considering for best performance you also need a master device with the same capabilities
even for converting it into a router is pricey

Yes, it is a bit pricey, but it'll probably come down in price. You don't need a main device since these have ethernet ports. But maybe more like an access point than a router.

Either way, IPQ8074 is far from working with OpenWrt :frowning_face:

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Hello everyone, I purchased the Netgear AX1800 (R6700AX) for 99 dollars. I hope this will be one of the new Wifi 6 routers that will be supported. https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-4-Stream-WiFi-Router-R6700AX/dp/B08KTXG8Q5 and tech specs https://www.netgear.com/home/wifi/routers/r6700ax/

I wouldn't hold my breath (Broadcom).

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Yeah, I also suggest to throw that one away for good.

https://fccid.io/PY320100480/Internal-Photos/Internal-Photos-4876128

I too have just received two LinkSys AX3200 E8450s. How may I assist in building/testing out 802.11ax support in OpenWRT? I have other network and WiFi gear, so this wouldn't be on my prod network.

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As i use a Linksys WRT1900ACSv2 with that old and buggy wifi fimware (no WPA3, no MESH ...), i just bought this AVM 6000 as an access point (LAN Bridge) and deactivated wifi on the WRT-Device ....

What can i say: My Lenovo with AX210 gets 930 mbit/s via iperf3 ... awesome ...

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930mbps is about line speed for a normal Ethernet connection. A wired one. So that is pretty good for WiFi!

What do you think about Linksys MR7350?

https://wikidevi.wi-cat.ru/Linksys_MR7350

IPQ60xx is not supported by OpenWrt yet, while there is a reasonable expectation that it will be one day, I wouldn't hold my breath (>>6 months, more likely >12 months).

Looks like Linksys took some shortcuts with the e8450, like USB2.0?! And apparently they don't support the 802.11ax/802.11ac standard fully? But perhaps that can be fixed by OpenWrt unless of course it's limited by some half-ass hardware.

Time will tell...

What isn't supported?

If its IPQ60xx then it supports the ratified 802.11ax, so ti has to have all of the features.

It only supports 20 & 40MHz, and not 80 & 160Mhz.
It was just something I read here, it seems odd, I agree.

Thats gotta be just Linksys butchering the FW to make 2 products out of one as IPQ6010 as I tried ath11k on does 80MHz without and issue.

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80mhz works on lower bands (36-48) and ac (not on ax, maybe a bug?). Will test the rest over the next days. I can post a iw list if interested. So far i know 160mhz works only on the upper bands.

For me it looks like the device only need some maturity within OpenWRT to show its true potential.

Edit: here is iw list for the E8450:

# iw list
Wiphy phy1
        wiphy index: 1
        max # scan SSIDs: 4
        max scan IEs length: 2190 bytes
        max # sched scan SSIDs: 0
        max # match sets: 0
        Retry short limit: 7
        Retry long limit: 4
        Coverage class: 0 (up to 0m)
        Device supports AP-side u-APSD.
        Device supports T-DLS.
        Available Antennas: TX 0xf RX 0xf
        Configured Antennas: TX 0xf RX 0xf
        Supported interface modes:
                 * IBSS
                 * managed
                 * AP
                 * AP/VLAN
                 * monitor
                 * mesh point
                 * P2P-client
                 * P2P-GO
        Band 2:
                Capabilities: 0x9ff
                        RX LDPC
                        HT20/HT40
                        SM Power Save disabled
                        RX Greenfield
                        RX HT20 SGI
                        RX HT40 SGI
                        TX STBC
                        RX STBC 1-stream
                        Max AMSDU length: 7935 bytes
                        No DSSS/CCK HT40
                Maximum RX AMPDU length 65535 bytes (exponent: 0x003)
                Minimum RX AMPDU time spacing: No restriction (0x00)
                HT TX/RX MCS rate indexes supported: 0-31
                VHT Capabilities (0x339b79f9):
                        Max MPDU length: 7991
                        Supported Channel Width: 160 MHz, 80+80 MHz
                        RX LDPC
                        short GI (80 MHz)
                        short GI (160/80+80 MHz)
                        TX STBC
                        SU Beamformer
                        SU Beamformee
                        MU Beamformer
                        MU Beamformee
                        RX antenna pattern consistency
                        TX antenna pattern consistency
                VHT RX MCS set:
                        1 streams: MCS 0-9
                        2 streams: MCS 0-9
                        3 streams: MCS 0-9
                        4 streams: MCS 0-9
                        5 streams: not supported
                        6 streams: not supported
                        7 streams: not supported
                        8 streams: not supported
                VHT RX highest supported: 0 Mbps
                VHT TX MCS set:
                        1 streams: MCS 0-9
                        2 streams: MCS 0-9
                        3 streams: MCS 0-9
                        4 streams: MCS 0-9
                        5 streams: not supported
                        6 streams: not supported
                        7 streams: not supported
                        8 streams: not supported
                VHT TX highest supported: 0 Mbps
                HE Iftypes: Station
                        HE MAC Capabilities (0x08031a000040):
                                +HTC HE Supported
                                TWT Requester
                                Trigger Frame MAC Padding Duration: 2
                                OM Control
                                Maximum A-MPDU Length Exponent: 3
                                A-MSDU in A-MPDU
                        HE PHY Capabilities: (0x5c70ce126d00f3064e3f00):
                                HE40/HE80/5GHz
                                HE160/5GHz
                                HE160/HE80+80/5GHz
                                242 tone RUs/5GHz
                                Device Class: 1
                                LDPC Coding in Payload
                                HE SU PPDU with 1x HE-LTF and 0.8us GI
                                NDP with 4x HE-LTF and 3.2us GI
                                STBC Tx <= 80MHz
                                STBC Rx <= 80MHz
                                Full Bandwidth UL MU-MIMO
                                Partial Bandwidth UL MU-MIMO
                                DCM Max Constellation: 2
                                DCM Max Constellation Rx: 2
                                SU Beamformee
                                Beamformee STS <= 80Mhz: 3
                                Beamformee STS > 80Mhz: 3
                                Codebook Size SU Feedback
                                Codebook Size MU Feedback
                                Triggered CQI Feedback
                                Partial Bandwidth Extended Range
                                Partial Bandwidth DL MU-MIMO
                                PPE Threshold Present
                                Power Boost Factor ar
                                HE SU PPDU & HE PPDU 4x HE-LTF 0.8us GI
                                20MHz in 40MHz HE PPDU 2.4GHz
                                20MHz in 160/80+80MHz HE PPDU
                                80MHz in 160/80+80MHz HE PPDU
                                DCM Max BW: 1
                                Longer Than 16HE SIG-B OFDM Symbols
                                Non-Triggered CQI Feedback
                                TX 1024-QAM
                                RX 1024-QAM
                                RX Full BW SU Using HE MU PPDU with Compression                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              SIGB
                                RX Full BW SU Using HE MU PPDU with Non-Compress                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             ion SIGB
                        HE RX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        HE TX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        HE RX MCS and NSS set 160 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        HE TX MCS and NSS set 160 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        HE RX MCS and NSS set 80+80 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        HE TX MCS and NSS set 80+80 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        PPE Threshold 0x3b 0x1c 0xc7 0x71 0x1c 0xc7 0x71 0x1c 0x                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             c7 0x71
                HE Iftypes: AP
                        HE MAC Capabilities (0x00051a081044):
                                +HTC HE Supported
                                TWT Responder
                                BSR
                                OM Control
                                Maximum A-MPDU Length Exponent: 3
                                BQR
                                A-MSDU in A-MPDU
                                OM Control UL MU Data Disable RX
                        HE PHY Capabilities: (0x1c20ce926f538f10000000):
                                HE40/HE80/5GHz
                                HE160/5GHz
                                HE160/HE80+80/5GHz
                                LDPC Coding in Payload
                                NDP with 4x HE-LTF and 3.2us GI
                                STBC Tx <= 80MHz
                                STBC Rx <= 80MHz
                                Full Bandwidth UL MU-MIMO
                                Partial Bandwidth UL MU-MIMO
                                DCM Max Constellation: 2
                                DCM Max Constellation Rx: 2
                                SU Beamformer
                                SU Beamformee
                                MU Beamformer
                                Beamformee STS <= 80Mhz: 3
                                Beamformee STS > 80Mhz: 3
                                Sounding Dimensions <= 80Mhz: 3
                                Sounding Dimensions > 80Mhz: 2
                                Ng = 16 SU Feedback
                                Codebook Size SU Feedback
                                Codebook Size MU Feedback
                                Triggered SU Beamforming Feedback
                                Triggered MU Beamforming Feedback
                                PPE Threshold Present
                                Max NC: 2
                        HE RX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        HE TX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        HE RX MCS and NSS set 160 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        HE TX MCS and NSS set 160 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        HE RX MCS and NSS set 80+80 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        HE TX MCS and NSS set 80+80 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        PPE Threshold 0x3b 0x1c 0xc7 0x71 0x1c 0xc7 0x71 0x1c 0x                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             c7 0x71
                HE Iftypes: Mesh
                        HE MAC Capabilities (0x00011a000040):
                                +HTC HE Supported
                                OM Control
                                Maximum A-MPDU Length Exponent: 3
                                A-MSDU in A-MPDU
                        HE PHY Capabilities: (0x1c200c0000000000008000):
                                HE40/HE80/5GHz
                                HE160/5GHz
                                HE160/HE80+80/5GHz
                                LDPC Coding in Payload
                                STBC Tx <= 80MHz
                                STBC Rx <= 80MHz
                        HE RX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        HE TX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        HE RX MCS and NSS set 160 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        HE TX MCS and NSS set 160 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        HE RX MCS and NSS set 80+80 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                        HE TX MCS and NSS set 80+80 MHz
                                         1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         3 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         4 streams: MCS 0-11
                                         5 streams: not supported
                                         6 streams: not supported
                                         7 streams: not supported
                                         8 streams: not supported
                Frequencies:
                        * 5180 MHz [36] (23.0 dBm)
                        * 5200 MHz [40] (23.0 dBm)
                        * 5220 MHz [44] (23.0 dBm)
                        * 5240 MHz [48] (23.0 dBm)
                        * 5260 MHz [52] (20.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5280 MHz [56] (20.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5300 MHz [60] (20.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5320 MHz [64] (20.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5500 MHz [100] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5520 MHz [104] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5540 MHz [108] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5560 MHz [112] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5580 MHz [116] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5600 MHz [120] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5620 MHz [124] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5640 MHz [128] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5660 MHz [132] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5680 MHz [136] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5700 MHz [140] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5720 MHz [144] (13.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5745 MHz [149] (13.0 dBm)
                        * 5765 MHz [153] (13.0 dBm)
                        * 5785 MHz [157] (13.0 dBm)
                        * 5805 MHz [161] (13.0 dBm)
                        * 5825 MHz [165] (13.0 dBm)
                        * 5845 MHz [169] (13.0 dBm)
                        * 5865 MHz [173] (13.0 dBm)
        valid interface combinations:
                 * #{ IBSS } <= 1, #{ AP, mesh point } <= 16, #{ managed } <= 32                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             ,
                   total <= 32, #channels <= 1, STA/AP BI must match, radar dete                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             ct widths: { 20 MHz (no HT), 20 MHz, 40 MHz, 80 MHz, 80+80 MHz, 160 MHz }

        HT Capability overrides:
                 * MCS: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
                 * maximum A-MSDU length
                 * supported channel width
                 * short GI for 40 MHz
                 * max A-MPDU length exponent
                 * min MPDU start spacing
        max # scan plans: 1
        max scan plan interval: -1
        max scan plan iterations: 0
        Supported extended features:
                * [ VHT_IBSS ]: VHT-IBSS
                * [ RRM ]: RRM
                * [ CQM_RSSI_LIST ]: multiple CQM_RSSI_THOLD records
                * [ CONTROL_PORT_OVER_NL80211 ]: control port over nl80211
                * [ TXQS ]: FQ-CoDel-enabled intermediate TXQs
                * [ AIRTIME_FAIRNESS ]: airtime fairness scheduling
                * [ AQL ]: Airtime Queue Limits (AQL)
                * [ SCAN_RANDOM_SN ]: use random sequence numbers in scans
                * [ SCAN_MIN_PREQ_CONTENT ]: use probe request with only rate IE                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             s in scans
                * [ CONTROL_PORT_NO_PREAUTH ]: disable pre-auth over nl80211 con                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             trol port support
                * [ DEL_IBSS_STA ]: deletion of IBSS station support
                * [ SCAN_FREQ_KHZ ]: scan on kHz frequency support
                * [ CONTROL_PORT_OVER_NL80211_TX_STATUS ]: tx status for nl80211                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              control port support
Wiphy phy0
        wiphy index: 0
        max # scan SSIDs: 4
        max scan IEs length: 2304 bytes
        max # sched scan SSIDs: 0
        max # match sets: 0
        Retry short limit: 7
        Retry long limit: 4
        Coverage class: 0 (up to 0m)
        Device supports AP-side u-APSD.
        Device supports T-DLS.
        Available Antennas: TX 0xf RX 0xf
        Configured Antennas: TX 0xf RX 0xf
        Supported interface modes:
                 * IBSS
                 * managed
                 * AP
                 * AP/VLAN
                 * monitor
                 * mesh point
                 * P2P-client
                 * P2P-GO
        Band 1:
                Capabilities: 0x1ff
                        RX LDPC
                        HT20/HT40
                        SM Power Save disabled
                        RX Greenfield
                        RX HT20 SGI
                        RX HT40 SGI
                        TX STBC
                        RX STBC 1-stream
                        Max AMSDU length: 3839 bytes
                        No DSSS/CCK HT40
                Maximum RX AMPDU length 65535 bytes (exponent: 0x003)
                Minimum RX AMPDU time spacing: No restriction (0x00)
                HT TX/RX MCS rate indexes supported: 0-31
                Frequencies:
                        * 2412 MHz [1] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2417 MHz [2] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2422 MHz [3] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2427 MHz [4] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2432 MHz [5] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2437 MHz [6] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2442 MHz [7] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2447 MHz [8] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2452 MHz [9] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2457 MHz [10] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2462 MHz [11] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2467 MHz [12] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2472 MHz [13] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2484 MHz [14] (disabled)
        valid interface combinations:
                 * #{ IBSS } <= 1, #{ managed, AP, mesh point, P2P-client, P2P-G                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             O } <= 16,
                   total <= 16, #channels <= 1, STA/AP BI must match, radar dete                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             ct widths: { 20 MHz (no HT), 20 MHz, 40 MHz, 80 MHz, 80+80 MHz, 160 MHz }

        HT Capability overrides:
                 * MCS: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
                 * maximum A-MSDU length
                 * supported channel width
                 * short GI for 40 MHz
                 * max A-MPDU length exponent
                 * min MPDU start spacing
        max # scan plans: 1
        max scan plan interval: 0
        max scan plan iterations: 0
        Supported extended features:
                * [ VHT_IBSS ]: VHT-IBSS
                * [ RRM ]: RRM
                * [ SET_SCAN_DWELL ]: scan dwell setting
                * [ CQM_RSSI_LIST ]: multiple CQM_RSSI_THOLD records
                * [ CONTROL_PORT_OVER_NL80211 ]: control port over nl80211
                * [ TXQS ]: FQ-CoDel-enabled intermediate TXQs
                * [ AIRTIME_FAIRNESS ]: airtime fairness scheduling
                * [ AQL ]: Airtime Queue Limits (AQL)
                * [ CONTROL_PORT_NO_PREAUTH ]: disable pre-auth over nl80211 con                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             trol port support
                * [ DEL_IBSS_STA ]: deletion of IBSS station support
                * [ SCAN_FREQ_KHZ ]: scan on kHz frequency support
                * [ CONTROL_PORT_OVER_NL80211_TX_STATUS ]: tx status for nl80211                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              control port support

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As I suspected then, the limitation is most likely in the software (stock firmware)..

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I have that one too. Performance is really another world, not just single client but the whole network is more stable and the initial Handshake/connection is super fast. Just use seperate SSiDs ...

They're crazy not to give it better features with that hardware.

Now I'm looking for a wifi bridge with Wifi 6 that I can use with OpenWRT for IOT and Guests which I can break regulary ...