OpenWrt 23.05.0-rc1 first release candidate

Release and security announcements
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Tested 23.05.0-rc1 on Netgear WAX202 which is used as a WDS client and repeater. Result: WiFi did not come up correctly. Even though both the 5 GHz AP and STA interfaces are bridged to br-lan, and the STA interface associates, packets are not bridged between them and the Ethernet interface. Bringing the 5 GHz STA down and replacing it with a 2.4 GHz STA works (but this might be a WPA2 vs WPA3 issue, as my 2.4 GHz network uses WPA2).

Custom packages, at least one of them actually unneeded:

opkg install diffutils umdns tcpdump luci-app-dawn luci-app-attendedsysupgrade kmod-nf-nat6 irqbalance iperf3 htop auc
opkg remove wpad-basic-mbedtls
opkg install wpad
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Before or after installing the packages? Which messages are logged as cause?

You could also try 23.05-snapshot to get a preview for RC2 if commits after RC1 fix this:
https://downloads.openwrt.org/releases/23.05-SNAPSHOT/targets/ramips/mt7621/

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Both. Sorry, cannot provide logs, as I have already reverted, but I will try again now.

I think it is my mistake, as wpad does not actually support SAE. I will try again with wpad-wolfssl and wpad-openssl (previously I used wpad-openssl). This cannot be true because the STA associated.

Config: https://pastebin.com/QqiHzti8 (random thought: is this supposed to work at all on 23.05 without bridger installed?)

Logs from 23.05.0-rc1: https://pastebin.com/QYzXUgiZ

The only bad thing that stands out is:

Fri Jun 23 18:41:34 2023 daemon.notice netifd: radio1 (2000): sh: out of range

And nope, this is not fixed in the 23.05 snapshot. Master snapshot fails in the same way: https://pastebin.com/mYNhRhpG

So, reverted again.

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My Archer C50 V4 has the same ROM+RAM config and it's stable.
I was able to build 23.05 before the firmware selector crapped out and it's been running fine. Doesn't randomly reboot either.

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I have IPv6 off and running https-dns-proxy running. Nothing more.

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Seriously? Free flash space: about 950 Kilobyte. Free RAM: 19 Megabyte.

The 8/64 warning is existing for a reason: https://openwrt.org/supported_devices/864_warning

There are flash format size differences between different devices. It could be that your device has 950 kiB left and the other device far less.

Too low RAM: the kernel will crash or OOM kill processes. The average device has no swap space available if you don’t attach external storage and configure swap.

8/64 could be enough for basic usage today, some use cases or devices will experience stability issues. I would plan on migrating to hardware with sufficient resources.

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Well, we can build minimal images w/o certain packages including luci to save up on storage even more. Good enough for basic usage indeed. I've had OpenWRT running for almost a year on my device. I hope devs tune future versions with efficiency in mind.
This planned obsolescence thing is certainly annoying.

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You are still able to run the latest OpenWrt version on 10 year old MT7620 SoC hardware designs with 8 MB flash and 64 MB RAM in 2023.

Is the planned obsolescence the decision of the device manufacturer to let you have only 950 Kilobyte free flash space?

I think planned obsolescence was buying a 8/64 device not long time ago. I bought a TP-Link Archer C5 v1 with 16 MB flash and 128 MB RAM in 2015. I still think this was a good choice 8 years ago.

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It's amazing that a recent Linux kernel still works. I bought my Archer in 2019 but I didn't know much about custom router firmware back then.

Well, it's almost 1MB of 8, so that's over 10% free. And I don't need more for extra packages. I can remove a few if necessary. The way I configure my router is that I build images with the Firmware Selector so I can integrate whatever packages I need apart from the default ones. And I never use opkg to update and instead rebuild new firmware usually weekly 'cause the Firmware Selector won't build images with the same list of packages and target before "something" expires, so 1 week. That's no matter if the packages have been updated.

My annoyance is about planned obsolescence in general with tech. Providing long-term software support on the OEM side should be required. Well, modding exists and I don't mind going that route. Certainly has a learning curve.

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I prefer buying hardware with enough resources and recent hardware designs.

My current Linksys E8450 is a design from 2020, MT7622 SoC is from 2017, with 128 MB flash and 512 MB RAM. I think this should be enough for several years of new software.

There are other offers of new hardware sold on the market which are low on resources. Buying new low resource devices is what I think of as planned obsolescence.

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I was gifted a working Huawei HG231F with an RT3050F chip, 4MB ROM and 32MB RAM.
Wish there was OpenWRT support for it so I could use it as a secure range extender or AP. The factory firmware is too old.

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This SoC is from 2008. It supports up to 64 MB flash and up to 64 MB RAM. In a 4/32 configuration it’s too low on resources for supported Linux kernels in 2023.

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It might be possible to make a stripped down build for it, but I lack the technical know how. W/o IPv6, Luci, and with a highly compressed kernel.

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How do I get this UI? Is it from a Chromebook?

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It's my own CSS theme.

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It looks clean. Do you mind sharing?

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header, .alert-message, body.modal-overlay-active #modal_overlay {
  align-items: center;
}

body.modal-overlay-active #modal_overlay {
  display: flex;
  flex-wrap: wrap;
  justify-content: center;
}

#modal_overlay .right {
  align-items: end;
  justify-items: end;
}

.cbi-rowstyle-2, .tr.table-titles, .tr.cbi-section-table-titles, .tabs > li:not(.active), .cbi-tabmenu > .cbi-tab-disabled, .tabs > li, .cbi-tabmenu > li, .tabs, .cbi-tabmenu, .ifacebox-head, .ifacebadge, .modal .table, .modal .alert-message {
  background: none;
}

.cbi-progressbar, .table .td, .table .th, footer, .modal, button, .actions, .cbi-page-actions, input, textarea, select, .cbi-select, .cbi-dropdown:not(.btn):not(.cbi-button), .btn, .tabs > li:not(.active), .cbi-tabmenu > .cbi-tab-disabled, .tabs > li, .cbi-tabmenu > li, hr, .ifacebox-head, .ifacebox, .ifacebadge, .cbi-dropdown[open] > ul.dropdown > li, .cbi-dropdown[open] > ul.dropdown, .cbi-dropdown[open] > ul.dropdown > li:focus, .uci-dialog div > del, .uci-dialog div > ins, .uci-dialog div > var, .alert-message, .item::after, .item, input[type="checkbox"]::before {
  border: none;
}

table.table {
  border: 16px solid transparent;
}

.item::after, .add-item > input[type="text"] + .cbi-button {
  border-radius: 50%;
  font-size: 20px;
  height: 20px;
  line-height: 20px;
  margin: auto 8px;
  width: 20px;
}

.cbi-dropdown.btn > .open, .cbi-dropdown.cbi-button > .open {
  border-width: 2px;
  font-size: 18px;
  margin-right: -16px;
}

header, .dropdown-menu a:hover, button, .modal, .item::after, .btn, .cbi-button, .cbi-select, .cbi-dropdown, .cbi-dynlist > .item, input[type="checkbox"]::before, input[type="radio"]::before, input, button, textarea, .ifacebox, .cbi-dropdown[open] > ul.dropdown, .cbi-select select option, .cbi-dropdown[open] > ul.dropdown > li, .dropdown-menu, .alert-message, .ifacebadge {
  box-shadow: none;
}

.add-item > input[type="text"] + .cbi-button {
  color: transparent;
}

.add-item > input[type="text"] + .cbi-button:before {
  display: block;
  content: "+";
}

header, #modal_overlay .right, , #modal_overlay .left  {
  display: flex;
}

.modal.login, .table .td[data-name="_ifacebox"] {
  display: grid;
}

hr, #lan-ifc-devices span, footer, #cbi-network-wan .ifacebox-body br, #cbi-network-lan .ifacebox-body br, .ifacebadge img, #wan-ifc-devices .cbi-tooltip-container, h2 {
  display: none;
}

.td.cbi-section-actions > :not(.cbi-dropdown) > *, #modal_overlay .left, #modal_overlay .right {
  flex: 0;
}

.modal.login label {
  flex: 1;
}

body, label, input, button, select, textarea, code, pre {
  font-family: none;
}

.label, [data-indicator] {
  font-size: 11px;
}

.table, .item::after, .btn, .cbi-button, label, input, button, select, textarea {
  font-size: 14px;
}

.table .tr:first-child .th, .tabs, .cbi-tabmenu, body, code, pre {
  font-size: 15px;
}

h3 {
  font-size: large;
}

em {
  font-style: unset;
}

h1, h2, h3, legend, h4, h5, h6, .tabs, .cbi-tabmenu, .label, [data-indicator], .add-item > input[type="text"] + .cbi-button:before, .table .tr:first-child .th, .item::after {
  font-weight: 500;
}

.zone-forwards, .network-status-table, .uci-change-legend, .td.cbi-section-table-cell div, #modal_overlay .right, .cbi-value {
  gap: 8px;
}

div:has(.right) {
  gap: 64px;
  justify-content: space-between;
}

.cbi-dynlist > .add-item, .td.cbi-section-actions > *, .item::after, .cbi-dropdown > ul > li, .table .td[data-name="_ifacebox"], .cbi-tabmenu {
  justify-content: center;
}

::-webkit-scrollbar, .cbi-progressbar {
  height: 4px;
}

input[type="checkbox"], input[type="radio"] {
  height: 14px;
}

header {
  height: 56px;
  left: 0;
  position: fixed;
  right: 0;
}

input, .btn, .cbi-button, .cbi-dropdown > .open, .cbi-dropdown > .more, .cbi-value-field, .cbi-value label.cbi-value-title {
  line-height: 36px;
}

h3 {
  line-height: 4rem;
}

input, input[type="text"] + .cbi-button, input[type="password"] + .cbi-button, select + .cbi-button, .cbi-select + .cbi-button {
  height: 36px;
}

.ifacebadge.large, .network-status-table .ifacebox-body .ifacebadge, .ifacebadge > *, .ifacebadge.large > *, ul, ol, .td.cbi-section-actions > :not(.cbi-dropdown) > *, .cbi-value-field, .alert-message p, .brand, header, .cbi-dropdown.btn > ul:not(.dropdown), .cbi-dropdown.cbi-button > ul:not(.dropdown) {
  margin: 0;
}

.modal.login > button, button.cbi-button {
  margin: 0 auto;
}

input[type="text"] + .cbi-button, input[type="password"] + .cbi-button, select + .cbi-button, .cbi-select + .cbi-button {
  margin: 0 4px;
}

input[type="checkbox"] {
  margin: 2px 8px;
}

.network-status-table .ifacebox-body > * {
  margin: 8px;
}

.network-status-table .ifacebox, .tabs, .cbi-tabmenu /*, input[type="text"]*/, .modal {
  margin: 8px 0;
}

::-webkit-scrollbar-track {
  margin: 16px;
}

.alert-message button {
  margin-bottom: unset;
}

[open] > .dropdown > li:not(:last-of-type) {
  margin-bottom: 4px;
}

.modal > *, .cbi-value {
  margin-bottom: 8px;
}

.table {
  margin-bottom: 16px;
}

.cbi-value-description:not(:empty)::before {
  margin-top: 9px;
}

.container {
  margin-top: 56px;
}

.ifacebox {
  margin: 0 8px;
  width: 100px;
}

/*.container, */.modal {
  max-width: fit-content;
}

a.menu::after {
  opacity: 1;
}

a:focus, :focus-visible {
  outline: none;
}

html, .modal > textarea {
  overflow: overlay;
}

.cbi-value label.cbi-value-title, .add-item > input[type="text"] + .cbi-button, .item::after, .ifacebox, .network-status-table .ifacebox-body .ifacebadge, .tabs, .cbi-tabmenu {
  padding: 0;
}

input[type="text"] + .cbi-button, input[type="password"] + .cbi-button, select + .cbi-button, .cbi-select + .cbi-button, .btn, .cbi-button {
  padding: 0 16px;
}

body {
  padding: 0 24px;
}

.spinning {
  padding: 0 34px;
  place-self: center;
}

.nav a, .alert-message {
  padding: 8px 16px;
}

.dropdown-menu, .label.notice, [data-indicator], .ifacebox, .ifacebadge.large, .cbi-dropdown[open] > ul.dropdown, .table .th, #syslog, pre, textarea {
  padding: 8px;
}

.table .td, .controls > * {
  padding: 8px 0;
}

.ifacebox-body {
  padding: 8px 0 0;
}

.modal {
  padding: 16px;
}

.td.left:not(:last-of-type) {
  padding-right: 8px;
}

textarea {
  resize: none;
}

h3, h4, .tr.placeholder > .td, input, textarea, select, .cbi-select, .cbi-dropdown:not(.btn):not(.cbi-button), .alert-message, .spinning, .add-item > input[type="text"] + .cbi-button, .cbi-dynlist > .item, .zonebadge, code, pre, .modal p, .table .tr:first-child .th, .table .td, h5, .cbi-section-descr {
  text-align: center;
}

.nav .dropdown-menu li a, header a, .ifacebadge {
  text-shadow: none;
}

.dropdown-menu {
  top: 36px;
}

::placeholder, header, .btn, select, h1, h2, h3, h4, .table .tr:first-child .th, .btn_spinner, label, .tabs, .cbi-tabmenu, .controls, .spinning, p, .ifacebox, button {
  user-select: none;
}

label.btn {
  white-space: pre-wrap;
}

td.td.left {
  width: unset;
}

table .td {
  width: fit-content;
}

.table .td[data-name="_ifacebox"], .tr.placeholder .nowrap, .tr.placeholder > .td {
  width: -webkit-fill-available;
}

::-webkit-scrollbar {
  width: 4px;
}

.modal.login > button {
  width: 128px;
}

:root {
  caret-color: #1a73e8;
--background-color-high: #000;
--background-color-low: none;
--background-color-medium: #333;
--error-color-high: #fff;
--error-color-high-rgb: 255, 0, 0;
--on-error-color: #fff;
--on-success-color: #fff;
--primary-color-high: #1a73e8;
--primary-color-low: #1a73e8;
--primary-color-medium: #1a73e8;
--success-color-high: #fff;
--text-color-high: #fff;
--text-color-medium: #aaa;
}

header, #modal_overlay {
  background: #00000099;
}

header, .dropdown-menu, #modal_overlay {
  backdrop-filter: blur(16px);
}

.table, .cbi-dropdown[open] > ul.dropdown, .modal.login {
  background: #1b1b1b;
}

input, textarea, select, .cbi-select, .cbi-dropdown:not(.btn):not(.cbi-button), .ifacebadge.large,  .alert-message, .item, [data-indicator], .ifacebox {
  background: #333;
}

.dropdown-menu, .modal, .label.notice {
  background: #333333cc;
}

.cbi-button.spinning::before {
  background: #fff;
}

::-webkit-scrollbar-thumb, .btn, .item::after, .btn, .cbi-button, .uci-dialog div > ins, .spinning::before, [data-darkmode="true"] .zonebadge[style], [data-darkmode="true"] .ifacebox-head[style] {
  background: #1a73e8;
}

::selection, .uci-dialog var > ins {
  background: #1a73e866;
}

.dropdown-menu li a:hover, button:hover, .btn:hover, .nav a.menu:hover, header .brand:hover, header ul .active > a {
  background: #1a73e833;
}

.uci-dialog var > del, .uci-dialog div > del {
  background: #f00;
}

header, header a, footer, button, .label.notice, [data-indicator], .ifacebox-head, .btn.primary, .cbi-button-action.important, .cbi-button-apply, .cbi-section-actions .cbi-button-edit, .cbi-button-action, .cbi-button-reload, .alert-message, .item::after, .add-item > input[type="text"] + .cbi-button:before, [selected], .cbi-dropdown[open] > ul.dropdown > li:focus {
  color: #fff;
}

::placeholder {
  color: #aaa;
}

::-webkit-scrollbar-thumb {
  border-radius: 8px;
}

.dropdown-menu, .modal, .table, .ifacebox, .ifacebadge.large, .cbi-dropdown[open] > ul.dropdown, #modal_overlay textarea, .item, #syslog {
  border-radius: 16px;
}

.dropdown-menu li a:hover, .cbi-progressbar > div, button, .btn, .nav a.menu:hover, header .brand:hover, header ul .active > a, .label.notice, [data-indicator], input, select, .cbi-select, .cbi-dropdown:not(.btn):not(.cbi-button), .cbi-select select option:checked, .cbi-dropdown[open] > ul.dropdown > li[selected], .cbi-dropdown[open] > ul.dropdown > li:hover, .alert-message, .cbi-button-neutral, .cbi-button-download, .cbi-button-find, .cbi-button-link, .cbi-button-up, .cbi-button-down, [data-darkmode="true"] .zonebadge[style], [data-darkmode="true"] .ifacebox-head[style], .cbi-dropdown[open] > ul.dropdown > li:focus {
  border-radius: 32px;
}

There you go. And I use ChromeOS, dunno how you picked that up.

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Thanks. Form controls look familiar.

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It really depends on the task, though. If we're just talking an 802.11ax router, a relatively low resource device could still last for a very long time.

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And since these are single-purpose devices, the load doesn't increase. Only the firmware/software stack gets bloated with time.

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That’s true. Just the interpretation of relatively low resource device will change over time.

My example of TP-Link Archer C5 v1 from 2015 with 16 MB flash and 128 MB RAM can still support basic usage or act as well equipped AC access point today. After eight years.

This inexpensive relatively low resource device can have a long life time with it’s sufficient resources.

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