Mesh concept - does my plan is correct

Hey Team, I'm planning to enable Mesh at home but I'm not fully convinced if my hardware will allow me to do so and if I understood Mesh concept correctly.

I have 3 routers plus router from ISP. The router from ISP will pass whole traffic (Fiber, 1GBit down/300Mbit up) to [1] Asus TUF AX4200 which will be OpenWRT, DHCP, then I'm planning to connect via ethernet cable to two TP-Link Archer C7 v5/OpenWRT [2].

Is it possible to actually create a Mesh network which will consist of all 3 devices and if this will have a sense?

My goals are:

  1. to have best signal coverage and seamless Wifi AP switching.
  2. to have all devices running under same network
  3. be a bit independent from ISP - in terms of - I will not need to care about IPs and configurations as it will be done all on my 1st router (asus)

First, read this to make sure you actually want mesh:
https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/wifi/mesh/mesh11sd#are_you_sure_you_want_a_mesh

Then, there is lots of information here:
https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/wifi/mesh/80211s

TBH, I read those docs, but I still don't know. Especially I dont know if MEP and MPP can utilize ethernet network for Mesh or it will always use "extra channel" and I dont know if Mesh performs better over not Meshed network. I dont know if I will have any benefits from Mesh over Fast Roaming and what are drawbacks of Mesh.

I have seen this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMgs2XFClaM " CHEAP WI-FI MESH ALTERNATIVE with fast roaming OpenWrt Wi-Fi Access points" and "Cheap alternative" for me personally implicit that with Fast Roaming I will not get all possible benefits?

So, that's no Mesh (802.11s), but just connected AP.

Seamless AP switching is done by the clients. Either they will or they won't. Mesh won't help with this.

That's all possible with just LAN-connected AP.

You obviously have not read the links provided by @psherman

Here is an extract that seems to be the most relevant to your question:

What is a Mesh?

A mesh network is a multi point to multi point layer 2 mac-routing backhaul used to interconnect mesh peers. Mesh peers are generally non-user devices, such as routers, access points, CPEs etc..

A normal user device, such as a phone, tablet, laptop etc., cannot connect to a mesh network. Instead, connection is achieved via a mesh gateway, a special type of mesh peer.

Are you sure you want a mesh?

If you are looking for a solution to enable your user devices to only seamlessly roam from one access point to another in your home, you need 802.11r (roaming) support, not 802.11s.

It is unfortunate that some manufacturers have used the word “Mesh” for marketing purposes to describe their non-standard, closed source, proprietary “roaming” functionality and this causes great confusion to many people when they enter the world of international standards and open source firmware for their network infrastructure.

  1. The accepted standard for mesh networks is ieee802.11s.

  2. The accepted standard for fast roaming of user devices is ieee802.11r.

These are two completely unrelated standards.

I have read it multiple times :slight_smile: and it does not answer what are benefits/drawbacks of Mesh, but I my have misunderstood Mesh 802.11s vs what TP Link shows on their "mesh" site as is looks like Fast Roaming with extra features. And I was hoping I would achieve similar features with 802.11s.

I know what it is :slight_smile: I was just hoping that if I will extend it by enabling mesh I would get some extra benefits from wifi coverage and/or performance.

Yes.
To reiterate:

In addition:

A normal user device, such as a phone, tablet, laptop etc., cannot connect to a mesh network.

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I think now I know what i really want - 802.11r, 802.11k, 802.11v (https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/wifi/dawn) and rest can be as it is now.

@bluewavenet , @elder_tinkerer - thank You for support and patience :slight_smile:

You think you want the ability to use the additional complexity of the various protocols that make Fast Roaming happen, but you've got two access points in presumably a relatively small area.

802.11r/k/v are designed and intended for very large sites with very large numbers of access points (thousands) and high volumes of users - like a University campus, or a massive conference centre.

You will likely be far better served by siting your APs carefully, selecting non overlapping channels and tuning their output power, to minimise overlap and maximise coverage. The wired backhaul does the heavy lifting, and the clients themselves can decide what the best signal to use is.

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As several other contributors have pointed out, you probably don't need mesh or anything else in your config.

The short of it is this:

  • a wired backhaul is always better than wireless.
    • When the option exists to use Ethernet, that will give you better performance and leverages a much simpler configuration.
    • 802.11s is mesh -- a wireless backhaul standard. You do not need it if you have the option to use ethernet.
  • roaming from AP to AP is a client side process.
    • Setup your APs to provide the best possible environment for the clients to roam intelligently.
    • APs can 'assist' clients, but sometimes this adds unnecessary complexity that can actually cause problems.
      • The method for this is 802.11r (fast roaming) and the k and v standards (extensions to the roaming techniques for large environments). But some clients just don't work well with these methods, and any misconfigurations will absolutely cause problems.

The most important foundational step in setting up your network is to ensure that you've optimized your radios. I really like the way that it is explained in this video (while the video talks about Unifi, the same concepts apply in OpenWrt and all wifi devices). Channels and power levels, as well as mechanical placement of your APs (to the extent possible) are the critical settings. If these are not done properly, the experience will never be great no matter what else you throw at it. When done well, you can have truly excellent results.

For reference, I have wired backhaul (no mesh), and I do not use 802.11k/v/r... my roaming is nearly seamless. Don't even play with 802.11k/v/r unless you have a demonstrated need after you have fully optimized the radios per the video above.

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