Ethernet backhaul problem

Still struggling setting up my new O-Wrt router/AP environment.
Using four O-WRT routers. One connected to the ISP device in client mode. ISP device is on pppoe mode. Connected via WAN port, when stand-alone means ISP device and the router all is ok, Internet is stable LAN and WLAN.
This ISP connected router also configured following the official guide. No extras!
Problem occurs as soon I am connecting my network via LAN to that first O-Wrt router.
Immediately Internet isn't working anymore. Means off/on within a few seconds.
Connecting means three further O-Wrt routers via switches and Ethernet.
All three O-Wrt routers configured as dumb APs as shown in the guide. I expected that should work out of the box...

What can cause this issue?
How can I analyze?

Let’s take a look at your configs.

Please connect to your OpenWrt device using ssh and copy the output of the following commands and post it here using the "Preformatted text </> " button:
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Remember to redact passwords, MAC addresses and any public IP addresses you may have:

ubus call system board
cat /etc/config/network
cat /etc/config/wireless
cat /etc/config/dhcp
cat /etc/config/firewall

You mean from the main router, that one connected as client via WAN to the Zyxel ISP device?

Here it is.
This is the standalone router just connected some devices WLAN and one laptop via LAN.
Please let me know when you would need the same when connected to the network or from another AP.
Just coming in my mind I see a lot of DHCPv6 entries and I remember when setting up the other APs three entries something for DHCPv6 were set to disabled.

 OpenWrt 24.10.1, r28597-0425664679
 -----------------------------------------------------
root@OpenWrt:~# ubus call system board
{
        "kernel": "6.6.86",
        "hostname": "OpenWrt",
        "system": "ARMv8 Processor rev 4",
        "model": "Cudy WR3000S v1",
        "board_name": "cudy,wr3000s-v1",
        "rootfs_type": "squashfs",
        "release": {
                "distribution": "OpenWrt",
                "version": "24.10.1",
                "revision": "r28597-0425664679",
                "target": "mediatek/filogic",
                "description": "OpenWrt 24.10.1 r28597-0425664679",
                "builddate": "1744562312"
        }
}
root@OpenWrt:~# cat /etc/config/network

config interface 'loopback'
        option device 'lo'
        option proto 'static'
        option ipaddr '127.0.0.1'
        option netmask '255.0.0.0'

config globals 'globals'
        option ula_prefix 'xxxx'
        option packet_steering '1'

config device
        option name 'br-lan'
        option type 'bridge'
        list ports 'lan1'
        list ports 'lan2'
        list ports 'lan3'
        list ports 'lan4'

config interface 'lan'
        option device 'br-lan'
        option proto 'static'
        option ipaddr '192.168.2.1'
        option netmask '255.255.255.0'
        option ip6assign '60'

config interface 'wan'
        option device 'wan'
        option proto 'dhcp'

config interface 'wan6'
        option device 'wan'
        option proto 'dhcpv6'

root@OpenWrt:~# cat /etc/config/wireless

config wifi-device 'radio0'
        option type 'mac80211'
        option path 'platform/soc/18000000.wifi'
        option band '2g'
        option channel '9'
        option htmode 'HE20'
        option cell_density '0'
        option country 'DE'

config wifi-iface 'default_radio0'
        option device 'radio0'
        option network 'lan'
        option mode 'ap'
        option ssid 'D4'
        option encryption 'psk2'
        option key 'xxxx

config wifi-device 'radio1'
        option type 'mac80211'
        option path 'platform/soc/18000000.wifi+1'
        option band '5g'
        option channel '36'
        option htmode 'HE80'
        option cell_density '0'
        option country 'DE'

config wifi-iface 'default_radio1'
        option device 'radio1'
        option network 'lan'
        option mode 'ap'
        option ssid 'D5'
        option encryption 'psk2'
        option key 'xxxx

root@OpenWrt:~# cat /etc/config/dhcp

config dnsmasq
        option domainneeded '1'
        option boguspriv '1'
        option filterwin2k '0'
        option localise_queries '1'
        option rebind_protection '1'
        option rebind_localhost '1'
        option local '/lan/'
        option domain 'lan'
        option expandhosts '1'
        option nonegcache '0'
        option cachesize '1000'
        option authoritative '1'
        option readethers '1'
        option leasefile '/tmp/dhcp.leases'
        option resolvfile '/tmp/resolv.conf.d/resolv.conf.auto'
        option nonwildcard '1'
        option localservice '1'
        option ednspacket_max '1232'
        option filter_aaaa '0'
        option filter_a '0'

config dhcp 'lan'
        option interface 'lan'
        option start '101'
        option limit '200'
        option leasetime '12h'
        option dhcpv4 'server'
        option dhcpv6 'server'
        option ra 'server'
        list ra_flags 'managed-config'
        list ra_flags 'other-config'
        option force '1'

config dhcp 'wan'
        option interface 'wan'
        option ignore '1'
        option start '100'
        option limit '150'
        option leasetime '12h'

config odhcpd 'odhcpd'
        option maindhcp '0'
        option leasefile '/tmp/hosts/odhcpd'
        option leasetrigger '/usr/sbin/odhcpd-update'
        option loglevel '4'

root@OpenWrt:~# cat /etc/config/firewall
config defaults
        option syn_flood        1
        option input            REJECT
        option output           ACCEPT
        option forward          REJECT
# Uncomment this line to disable ipv6 rules
#       option disable_ipv6     1

config zone
        option name             lan
        list   network          'lan'
        option input            ACCEPT
        option output           ACCEPT
        option forward          ACCEPT

config zone
        option name             wan
        list   network          'wan'
        list   network          'wan6'
        option input            REJECT
        option output           ACCEPT
        option forward          REJECT
        option masq             1
        option mtu_fix          1

config forwarding
        option src              lan
        option dest             wan

# We need to accept udp packets on port 68,
# see https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/4108
config rule
        option name             Allow-DHCP-Renew
        option src              wan
        option proto            udp
        option dest_port        68
        option target           ACCEPT
        option family           ipv4

# Allow IPv4 ping
config rule
        option name             Allow-Ping
        option src              wan
        option proto            icmp
        option icmp_type        echo-request
        option family           ipv4
        option target           ACCEPT

config rule
        option name             Allow-IGMP
        option src              wan
        option proto            igmp
        option family           ipv4
        option target           ACCEPT

# Allow DHCPv6 replies
# see https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/issues/5066
config rule
        option name             Allow-DHCPv6
        option src              wan
        option proto            udp
        option dest_port        546
        option family           ipv6
        option target           ACCEPT

config rule
        option name             Allow-MLD
        option src              wan
        option proto            icmp
        option src_ip           fe80::/10
        list icmp_type          '130/0'
        list icmp_type          '131/0'
        list icmp_type          '132/0'
        list icmp_type          '143/0'
        option family           ipv6
        option target           ACCEPT

# Allow essential incoming IPv6 ICMP traffic
config rule
        option name             Allow-ICMPv6-Input
        option src              wan
        option proto    icmp
        list icmp_type          echo-request
        list icmp_type          echo-reply
        list icmp_type          destination-unreachable
        list icmp_type          packet-too-big
        list icmp_type          time-exceeded
        list icmp_type          bad-header
        list icmp_type          unknown-header-type
        list icmp_type          router-solicitation
        list icmp_type          neighbour-solicitation
        list icmp_type          router-advertisement
        list icmp_type          neighbour-advertisement
        option limit            1000/sec
        option family           ipv6
        option target           ACCEPT

# Allow essential forwarded IPv6 ICMP traffic
config rule
        option name             Allow-ICMPv6-Forward
        option src              wan
        option dest             *
        option proto            icmp
        list icmp_type          echo-request
        list icmp_type          echo-reply
        list icmp_type          destination-unreachable
        list icmp_type          packet-too-big
        list icmp_type          time-exceeded
        list icmp_type          bad-header
        list icmp_type          unknown-header-type
        option limit            1000/sec
        option family           ipv6
        option target           ACCEPT

config rule
        option name             Allow-IPSec-ESP
        option src              wan
        option dest             lan
        option proto            esp
        option target           ACCEPT

config rule
        option name             Allow-ISAKMP
        option src              wan
        option dest             lan
        option dest_port        500
        option proto            udp
        option target           ACCEPT


### EXAMPLE CONFIG SECTIONS
# do not allow a specific ip to access wan
#config rule
#       option src              lan
#       option src_ip   192.168.45.2
#       option dest             wan
#       option proto    tcp
#       option target   REJECT

# block a specific mac on wan
#config rule
#       option dest             wan
#       option src_mac  00:11:22:xxxx
#       option target   REJECT

# block incoming ICMP traffic on a zone
#config rule
#       option src              lan
#       option proto    ICMP
#       option target   DROP

# port redirect port coming in on wan to lan
#config redirect
#       option src                      wan
#       option src_dport        80
#       option dest                     lan
#       option dest_ip          192.168.16.235
#       option dest_port        80
#       option proto            tcp

# port redirect of remapped ssh port (22001) on wan
#config redirect
#       option src              wan
#       option src_dport        22001
#       option dest             lan
#       option dest_port        22
#       option proto            tcp

### FULL CONFIG SECTIONS
#config rule
#       option src              lan
#       option src_ip   192.168.45.2
#       option src_mac  00:11:22:xxxx
#       option src_port 80
#       option dest             wan
#       option dest_ip  194.25.2.129
#       option dest_port        120
#       option proto    tcp
#       option target   REJECT

#config redirect
#       option src              lan
#       option src_ip   192.168.45.2
#       option src_mac  00:11:22:xxxx
#       option src_port         1024
#       option src_dport        80
#       option dest_ip  194.25.2.129
#       option dest_port        120
#       option proto    tcp
root@OpenWrt:~# 

To complete the picture, this is the config from one of the three APs.
All configured simultaneously.

Just to mention these three O-WRT APs are currently running attached via a switch to my Telekom Landline DSL router (No O-WRT).
Means exactly that config is running there error free.
As soon as I change the Router and attach the etherenet cable to the O-WRT router, Internet is more or less gone, as mentioned On/Off within seconds intervall.

 -----------------------------------------------------
 OpenWrt 23.05.5, r24106-10cc5fcd00
 -----------------------------------------------------
root@OpenWrt:~# ubus call system board
{
	"kernel": "5.15.167",
	"hostname": "OpenWrt",
	"system": "MediaTek MT7628AN ver:1 eco:2",
	"model": "TP-Link Archer C50 v4",
	"board_name": "tplink,archer-c50-v4",
	"rootfs_type": "squashfs",
	"release": {
		"distribution": "OpenWrt",
		"version": "23.05.5",
		"revision": "r24106-10cc5fcd00",
		"target": "ramips/mt76x8",
		"description": "OpenWrt 23.05.5 r24106-10cc5fcd00"
	}
}
root@OpenWrt:~# cat /etc/config/network

config interface 'loopback'
	option device 'lo'
	option proto 'static'
	option ipaddr '127.0.0.1'
	option netmask '255.0.0.0'

config globals 'globals'
	option ula_prefix 'xxxx'

config device
	option name 'br-lan'
	option type 'bridge'
	list ports 'eth0.1'

config interface 'lan'
	option device 'br-lan'
	option proto 'static'
	option ipaddr '192.168.2.3'
	option netmask '255.255.255.0'
	option ip6assign '60'
	option gateway '192.168.2.1'
	list dns '192.168.2.1'

config device
	option name 'eth0.2'
	option macaddr '50:d4:xxxx'

config interface 'wan'
	option device 'eth0.2'
	option proto 'dhcp'

config interface 'wan6'
	option device 'eth0.2'
	option proto 'dhcpv6'

config switch
	option name 'switch0'
	option reset '1'
	option enable_vlan '1'

config switch_vlan
	option device 'switch0'
	option vlan '1'
	option ports '1 2 3 4 6t'

config switch_vlan
	option device 'switch0'
	option vlan '2'
	option ports '0 6t'

root@OpenWrt:~# cat /etc/config/wireless

config wifi-device 'radio0'
	option type 'mac80211'
	option path 'platform/10300000.wmac'
	option channel '1'
	option band '2g'
	option htmode 'HT20'
	option cell_density '0'
	option country 'DE'

config wifi-iface 'default_radio0'
	option device 'radio0'
	option network 'lan'
	option mode 'ap'
	option ssid 'SEK'
	option encryption 'psk2'
	option key 'xxxx'

config wifi-device 'radio1'
	option type 'mac80211'
	option path 'pci0000:00/0000:00:00.0/0000:01:00.0'
	option channel '60'
	option band '5g'
	option htmode 'VHT40'
	option cell_density '0'
	option country 'DE'

config wifi-iface 'default_radio1'
	option device 'radio1'
	option network 'lan'
	option mode 'ap'
	option ssid 'SEK'
	option encryption 'psk2'
	option key 'xxxx'

root@OpenWrt:~# cat /etc/config/dhcp

config dnsmasq
	option domainneeded '1'
	option boguspriv '1'
	option filterwin2k '0'
	option localise_queries '1'
	option rebind_protection '1'
	option rebind_localhost '1'
	option local '/lan/'
	option domain 'lan'
	option expandhosts '1'
	option nonegcache '0'
	option cachesize '1000'
	option authoritative '1'
	option readethers '1'
	option leasefile '/tmp/dhcp.leases'
	option resolvfile '/tmp/resolv.conf.d/resolv.conf.auto'
	option nonwildcard '1'
	option localservice '1'
	option ednspacket_max '1232'
	option filter_aaaa '0'
	option filter_a '0'

config dhcp 'lan'
	option interface 'lan'
	option start '100'
	option limit '150'
	option leasetime '12h'
	option dhcpv4 'server'
	option ignore '1'

config dhcp 'wan'
	option interface 'wan'
	option ignore '1'

config odhcpd 'odhcpd'
	option maindhcp '0'
	option leasefile '/tmp/hosts/odhcpd'
	option leasetrigger '/usr/sbin/odhcpd-update'
	option loglevel '4'

root@OpenWrt:~# cat /etc/config/firewall
config defaults
	option syn_flood	1
	option input		REJECT
	option output		ACCEPT
	option forward		REJECT
# Uncomment this line to disable ipv6 rules
#	option disable_ipv6	1

config zone
	option name		lan
	list   network		'lan'
	option input		ACCEPT
	option output		ACCEPT
	option forward		ACCEPT

config zone
	option name		wan
	list   network		'wan'
	list   network		'wan6'
	option input		REJECT
	option output		ACCEPT
	option forward		REJECT
	option masq		1
	option mtu_fix		1

config forwarding
	option src		lan
	option dest		wan

# We need to accept udp packets on port 68,
# see https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/4108
config rule
	option name		Allow-DHCP-Renew
	option src		wan
	option proto		udp
	option dest_port	68
	option target		ACCEPT
	option family		ipv4

# Allow IPv4 ping
config rule
	option name		Allow-Ping
	option src		wan
	option proto		icmp
	option icmp_type	echo-request
	option family		ipv4
	option target		ACCEPT

config rule
	option name		Allow-IGMP
	option src		wan
	option proto		igmp
	option family		ipv4
	option target		ACCEPT

# Allow DHCPv6 replies
# see https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/issues/5066
config rule
	option name		Allow-DHCPv6
	option src		wan
	option proto		udp
	option dest_port	546
	option family		ipv6
	option target		ACCEPT

config rule
	option name		Allow-MLD
	option src		wan
	option proto		icmp
	option src_ip		fe80::/10
	list icmp_type		'130/0'
	list icmp_type		'131/0'
	list icmp_type		'132/0'
	list icmp_type		'143/0'
	option family		ipv6
	option target		ACCEPT

# Allow essential incoming IPv6 ICMP traffic
config rule
	option name		Allow-ICMPv6-Input
	option src		wan
	option proto	icmp
	list icmp_type		echo-request
	list icmp_type		echo-reply
	list icmp_type		destination-unreachable
	list icmp_type		packet-too-big
	list icmp_type		time-exceeded
	list icmp_type		bad-header
	list icmp_type		unknown-header-type
	list icmp_type		router-solicitation
	list icmp_type		neighbour-solicitation
	list icmp_type		router-advertisement
	list icmp_type		neighbour-advertisement
	option limit		1000/sec
	option family		ipv6
	option target		ACCEPT

# Allow essential forwarded IPv6 ICMP traffic
config rule
	option name		Allow-ICMPv6-Forward
	option src		wan
	option dest		*
	option proto		icmp
	list icmp_type		echo-request
	list icmp_type		echo-reply
	list icmp_type		destination-unreachable
	list icmp_type		packet-too-big
	list icmp_type		time-exceeded
	list icmp_type		bad-header
	list icmp_type		unknown-header-type
	option limit		1000/sec
	option family		ipv6
	option target		ACCEPT

config rule
	option name		Allow-IPSec-ESP
	option src		wan
	option dest		lan
	option proto		esp
	option target		ACCEPT

config rule
	option name		Allow-ISAKMP
	option src		wan
	option dest		lan
	option dest_port	500
	option proto		udp
	option target		ACCEPT


### EXAMPLE CONFIG SECTIONS
# do not allow a specific ip to access wan
#config rule
#	option src		lan
#	option src_ip	192.168.45.2
#	option dest		wan
#	option proto	tcp
#	option target	REJECT

# block a specific mac on wan
#config rule
#	option dest		wan
#	option src_mac	00:11xxxx
#	option target	REJECT

# block incoming ICMP traffic on a zone
#config rule
#	option src		lan
#	option proto	ICMP
#	option target	DROP

# port redirect port coming in on wan to lan
#config redirect
#	option src			wan
#	option src_dport	80
#	option dest			lan
#	option dest_ip		192.168.16.235
#	option dest_port	80
#	option proto		tcp

# port redirect of remapped ssh port (22001) on wan
#config redirect
#	option src		wan
#	option src_dport	22001
#	option dest		lan
#	option dest_port	22
#	option proto		tcp

### FULL CONFIG SECTIONS
#config rule
#	option src		lan
#	option src_ip	192.168.45.2
#	option src_mac	00:11:xxxx
#	option src_port	80
#	option dest		wan
#	option dest_ip	194.25.2.129
#	option dest_port	120
#	option proto	tcp
#	option target	REJECT

#config redirect
#	option src		lan
#	option src_ip	192.168.45.2
#	option src_mac	00:11:xxxxx
#	option src_port		1024
#	option src_dport	80
#	option dest_ip	194.25.2.129
#	option dest_port	120
#	option proto	tcp
root@OpenWrt:~# ^C

root@OpenWrt:~# 

The only error I see here is the dhcp server on the main router:

The limit is too high - it must be <=154 given your start value of 101. And the force line should not be required. If it is, you have a rogue dhcp server running on the network.

Can you describe in detail what you mean by this?

Do you have an Ethernet loop issue, by any chance?

No, I don´t think I do have a Ethernet loop. I do use three switches and they are in sequence from the Router to the first switch from there to the roof switch and here again down to ground floor. And it works when connected to the still existent Telekom DSL router (Non-O-WRT) no issues.
As said all APs are already on O-WRT (one config I just attached) and when connected to the old DSL landline router all working stable.
The only reason why I would like to change is that I can increase internet speed a lot with 5G access.

When I change the main router and just plug that one ethernet cable from the Telekom DSL router into the O-WRT router (same static IP) internet is gone!
LAN and WLAN signal keeps strong and stable but internet goes on and off.
Easy to see on the android mobile phone when the WIFI signal icon gets an exclamation mark showing that no Internet available in choosen Wlan.

I thought that there is maybe the IPv6 config different, at least I read some comments when checking the config for the Zyxel 5G router.

The force line I tried not knowing what to do, will change that back as well as the limit to 150, no issue.

Let me know when I should check something else, maybe some log?

One further idea!
What would I loose when plugging the ISP router into the LAN1 instead WAN port?
What would I need to change in the O-WRT router?
My understanding, please correct me when I am wrong:

  • Change to AP instead of client
  • Firewall needs to be activated in the ISP router, is it required to be activated in the O-WRT router as well?
  • DHCP can be performed by the O-WRT router and need to be deactivated for the ISP router
  • I assume need to set DNS and Gateway for all other APs to that "first" AP next to the ISP router serving DHCP
  • Will I get trouble with IPv6 with such a setup?
  • What about all the other features I planned to use like Wireguard client and host or VLAN will that work when attaching on LAN1 instead of WAN?

I just connected my network again to the O-WRT router and same trouble, it takes a minute and internet is gone on LAN and WLAN. in the system log I only can see these warnings, is that of interest?

Sun May  4 18:49:24 2025 daemon.warn odhcpd[1824]: No default route present, overriding ra_lifetime to 0!
Sun May  4 18:49:49 2025 daemon.warn odhcpd[1824]: No default route present, overriding ra_lifetime to 0!
Sun May  4 18:49:49 2025 daemon.warn odhcpd[1824]: No default route present, overriding ra_lifetime to 0!
Sun May  4 18:50:38 2025 daemon.info dnsmasq[1]: read /etc/hosts - 12 names
Sun May  4 18:50:38 2025 daemon.info dnsmasq[1]: read /tmp/hosts/dhcp.cfg01411c - 4 names
Sun May  4 18:50:38 2025 daemon.info dnsmasq[1]: read /tmp/hosts/odhcpd - 2 names
Sun May  4 18:50:38 2025 daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[1]: read /etc/ethers - 0 addresses
Sun May  4 18:50:39 2025 daemon.info dnsmasq[1]: read /etc/hosts - 12 names
Sun May  4 18:50:39 2025 daemon.info dnsmasq[1]: read /tmp/hosts/dhcp.cfg01411c - 4 names
Sun May  4 18:50:39 2025 daemon.info dnsmasq[1]: read /tmp/hosts/odhcpd - 2 names
Sun May  4 18:50:39 2025 daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[1]: read /etc/ethers - 0 addresses
Sun May  4 18:50:40 2025 daemon.warn odhcpd[1824]: No default route present, overriding ra_lifetime to 0!
Sun May  4 18:51:30 2025 daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[1]: DHCPDISCOVER(br-lan) 70:3xxx
Sun May  4 18:51:30 2025 daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[1]: DHCPOFFER(br-lan) 192.168.2.224 70:3xxxx
Sun May  4 18:51:30 2025 daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[1]: DHCPREQUEST(br-lan) 192.168.2.224 70:3xxxx
Sun May  4 18:51:30 2025 daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[1]: DHCPACK(br-lan) 192.168.2.224 70:3xxxx

That's interesting but:

show 15 lines before you plug in the OpenWrt router and the 5 after errors stop.

but the rest is just this DHCP discover, offer and ...
The only interesting part was exactly that what i copied and I thought it might telling you something.
What does it mean No default route present, overriding ra_lifetime to 0
Is that maybe a trigger for these internet signal losses I am facing?

Just to add, there is no further error or warning in the system log, that is realy crazy.
Can I maybe check any other log or parameter what tells something about internet signal and transfer into the LAN?

No idea; that's why I'm looking for something that makes sense.

And the error is in the logs.

I have to explain this every so often but routers are not filled with ethereal pixie dust and errors are logged.

So, I need to see some errors and what's clean before and after.

Or

we can post guesses...?

Start one component at a time.

Using a laptop, a single openwrt router, and your dsl modem do the following:

plug in dsl modem, and openwrt router and laptop into a lan port on the openwrt router. Verify internet connectivity. Unplug laptop and configure laptop to wifi. Verify internet connectivity.

Plug in ethernet hub to openwrt router with nothing else plugged in. turn off wifi on laptop and plug laptop into etherhet hub. Verify connectivity. unlug laptop and turn on wifi. associate and verify connectivity.

Plug in second hub and repeat.

Plug in 3rd hub and repeat

Plug in first ethernet device into first hub and repeat

continue plugging ethernet devices into hub and test each time until all devices plugged in and everything is still working.

Go to second hub and repeat until all devices plugged in

Go to 3rd hub and repeat until all devices plugged in

Now, introduce the first openwrt router you want to use as an AP into the network by plugging it in to whatever hub it's in, and repeat testing

Continue doing this methodically, one item at a time, giving PLENTY of time in between each test to make sure network is stable.

Eventually you will plug in some device that will cause the entire network to collapse. There's your culprit.

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