Asus RT-AX53U valid interface combinations

Could someone run iw list on Asus RT-AX53U running OpenWrt? I'm interested about valid interface combinations mt76 driver can handle.

@znevna hey

yes?
I use my RT-AX53U as a dumb AP, don't know other "valid combinations" or what @kmrv is actually asking.

iw is for wifi though, router or AP shouldn't make any difference ...

I am asking output of iw list command or at least valid interface combinations portion of it, it doesn't matter how RT-AX53U is used, just need to know what wifi hardware is capable of so I don't purchase useless hardware.

i do not have a device to show you, but is like all other mt76 device.

Sorry, I somehow missed the iw list command.

iw list
Wiphy phy1
        wiphy index: 1
        max # scan SSIDs: 4
        max scan IEs length: 2190 bytes
        max # sched scan SSIDs: 0
        max # match sets: 0
        Retry short limit: 7
        Retry long limit: 4
        Coverage class: 0 (up to 0m)
        Device supports AP-side u-APSD.
        Device supports T-DLS.
        Available Antennas: TX 0x3 RX 0x3
        Configured Antennas: TX 0x3 RX 0x3
        Supported interface modes:
                 * IBSS
                 * managed
                 * AP
                 * AP/VLAN
                 * monitor
                 * mesh point
                 * P2P-client
                 * P2P-GO
        Band 2:
                Capabilities: 0x9ff
                        RX LDPC
                        HT20/HT40
                        SM Power Save disabled
                        RX Greenfield
                        RX HT20 SGI
                        RX HT40 SGI
                        TX STBC
                        RX STBC 1-stream
                        Max AMSDU length: 7935 bytes
                        No DSSS/CCK HT40
                Maximum RX AMPDU length 65535 bytes (exponent: 0x003)
                Minimum RX AMPDU time spacing: 4 usec (0x05)
                HT TX/RX MCS rate indexes supported: 0-15
                VHT Capabilities (0x339939b1):
                        Max MPDU length: 7991
                        Supported Channel Width: neither 160 nor 80+80
                        RX LDPC
                        short GI (80 MHz)
                        TX STBC
                        SU Beamformer
                        SU Beamformee
                        MU Beamformer
                        MU Beamformee
                        RX antenna pattern consistency
                        TX antenna pattern consistency
                VHT RX MCS set:
                        1 streams: MCS 0-9
                        2 streams: MCS 0-9
                        3 streams: not supported
                        4 streams: not supported
                        5 streams: not supported
                        6 streams: not supported
                        7 streams: not supported
                        8 streams: not supported
                VHT RX highest supported: 0 Mbps
                VHT TX MCS set:
                        1 streams: MCS 0-9
                        2 streams: MCS 0-9
                        3 streams: not supported
                        4 streams: not supported
                        5 streams: not supported
                        6 streams: not supported
                        7 streams: not supported
                        8 streams: not supported
                VHT TX highest supported: 0 Mbps
                VHT extended NSS: supported
                HE Iftypes: managed
                        HE MAC Capabilities (0x08011a000040):
                                +HTC HE Supported
                                Trigger Frame MAC Padding Duration: 2
                                OM Control
                                Maximum A-MPDU Length Exponent: 3
                                A-MSDU in A-MPDU
                        HE PHY Capabilities: (0x44700e120d00f30e423f00):
                                HE40/HE80/5GHz
                                242 tone RUs/5GHz
                                Device Class: 1
                                LDPC Coding in Payload
                                HE SU PPDU with 1x HE-LTF and 0.8us GI
                                NDP with 4x HE-LTF and 3.2us GI
                                STBC Tx <= 80MHz
                                STBC Rx <= 80MHz
                                DCM Max Constellation: 2
                                DCM Max Constellation Rx: 2
                                SU Beamformee
                                Beamformee STS <= 80Mhz: 3
                                Codebook Size SU Feedback
                                Codebook Size MU Feedback
                                Triggered CQI Feedback
                                Partial Bandwidth Extended Range
                                Partial Bandwidth DL MU-MIMO
                                PPE Threshold Present
                                Power Boost Factor ar
                                HE SU PPDU & HE PPDU 4x HE-LTF 0.8us GI
                                Max NC: 1
                                20MHz in 40MHz HE PPDU 2.4GHz
                                DCM Max BW: 1
                                Longer Than 16HE SIG-B OFDM Symbols
                                Non-Triggered CQI Feedback
                                TX 1024-QAM
                                RX 1024-QAM
                                RX Full BW SU Using HE MU PPDU with Compression SIGB
                                RX Full BW SU Using HE MU PPDU with Non-Compression SIGB
                        HE RX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                3 streams: not supported
                                4 streams: not supported
                                5 streams: not supported
                                6 streams: not supported
                                7 streams: not supported
                                8 streams: not supported
                        HE TX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                3 streams: not supported
                                4 streams: not supported
                                5 streams: not supported
                                6 streams: not supported
                                7 streams: not supported
                                8 streams: not supported
                        PPE Threshold 0x39 0x1c 0xc7 0x71 0x1c 0x07
                EHT Iftypes: managed
                        EHT MAC Capabilities (0x0000):
                        EHT PHY Capabilities: (0x0000000000000000):
                        EHT MCS/NSS: (0x):
                        EHT bw <= 80 MHz, max NSS for MCS 8-9: Rx=0, Tx=0
                        EHT bw <= 80 MHz, max NSS for MCS 10-11: Rx=0, Tx=0
                        EHT bw <= 80 MHz, max NSS for MCS 12-13: Rx=0, Tx=0
                HE Iftypes: AP
                        HE MAC Capabilities (0x00051a081044):
                                +HTC HE Supported
                                TWT Responder
                                BSR
                                OM Control
                                Maximum A-MPDU Length Exponent: 3
                                BQR
                                A-MSDU in A-MPDU
                                OM Control UL MU Data Disable RX
                        HE PHY Capabilities: (0x04200e920f01af08000c00):
                                HE40/HE80/5GHz
                                LDPC Coding in Payload
                                NDP with 4x HE-LTF and 3.2us GI
                                STBC Tx <= 80MHz
                                STBC Rx <= 80MHz
                                DCM Max Constellation: 2
                                DCM Max Constellation Rx: 2
                                SU Beamformer
                                SU Beamformee
                                MU Beamformer
                                Beamformee STS <= 80Mhz: 3
                                Sounding Dimensions <= 80Mhz: 1
                                Codebook Size SU Feedback
                                Codebook Size MU Feedback
                                Triggered SU Beamforming Feedback
                                Triggered MU Beamforming Feedback
                                Partial Bandwidth Extended Range
                                PPE Threshold Present
                                Max NC: 1
                                TX 1024-QAM
                                RX 1024-QAM
                        HE RX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                3 streams: not supported
                                4 streams: not supported
                                5 streams: not supported
                                6 streams: not supported
                                7 streams: not supported
                                8 streams: not supported
                        HE TX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                3 streams: not supported
                                4 streams: not supported
                                5 streams: not supported
                                6 streams: not supported
                                7 streams: not supported
                                8 streams: not supported
                        PPE Threshold 0x39 0x1c 0xc7 0x71 0x1c 0x07
                EHT Iftypes: AP
                        EHT MAC Capabilities (0x0000):
                        EHT PHY Capabilities: (0x0000000000000000):
                        EHT MCS/NSS: (0x):
                        EHT bw <= 80 MHz, max NSS for MCS 8-9: Rx=0, Tx=0
                        EHT bw <= 80 MHz, max NSS for MCS 10-11: Rx=0, Tx=0
                        EHT bw <= 80 MHz, max NSS for MCS 12-13: Rx=0, Tx=0
                HE Iftypes: mesh point
                        HE MAC Capabilities (0x00011a000040):
                                +HTC HE Supported
                                OM Control
                                Maximum A-MPDU Length Exponent: 3
                                A-MSDU in A-MPDU
                        HE PHY Capabilities: (0x04200c0000000000008000):
                                HE40/HE80/5GHz
                                LDPC Coding in Payload
                                STBC Tx <= 80MHz
                                STBC Rx <= 80MHz
                        HE RX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                3 streams: not supported
                                4 streams: not supported
                                5 streams: not supported
                                6 streams: not supported
                                7 streams: not supported
                                8 streams: not supported
                        HE TX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                3 streams: not supported
                                4 streams: not supported
                                5 streams: not supported
                                6 streams: not supported
                                7 streams: not supported
                                8 streams: not supported
                EHT Iftypes: mesh point
                        EHT MAC Capabilities (0x0000):
                        EHT PHY Capabilities: (0x0000000000000000):
                        EHT MCS/NSS: (0x):
                        EHT bw <= 80 MHz, max NSS for MCS 8-9: Rx=0, Tx=0
                        EHT bw <= 80 MHz, max NSS for MCS 10-11: Rx=0, Tx=0
                        EHT bw <= 80 MHz, max NSS for MCS 12-13: Rx=0, Tx=0
                Frequencies:
                        * 5180 MHz [36] (23.0 dBm)
                        * 5200 MHz [40] (23.0 dBm)
                        * 5220 MHz [44] (23.0 dBm)
                        * 5240 MHz [48] (23.0 dBm)
                        * 5260 MHz [52] (20.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5280 MHz [56] (20.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5300 MHz [60] (20.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5320 MHz [64] (20.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5500 MHz [100] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5520 MHz [104] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5540 MHz [108] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5560 MHz [112] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5580 MHz [116] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5600 MHz [120] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5620 MHz [124] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5640 MHz [128] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5660 MHz [132] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5680 MHz [136] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5700 MHz [140] (26.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5720 MHz [144] (13.0 dBm) (radar detection)
                        * 5745 MHz [149] (13.0 dBm)
                        * 5765 MHz [153] (13.0 dBm)
                        * 5785 MHz [157] (13.0 dBm)
                        * 5805 MHz [161] (13.0 dBm)
                        * 5825 MHz [165] (13.0 dBm)
                        * 5845 MHz [169] (13.0 dBm)
                        * 5865 MHz [173] (13.0 dBm)
        valid interface combinations:
                 * #{ IBSS } <= 1, #{ AP, mesh point } <= 16, #{ managed } <= 19,
                   total <= 19, #channels <= 1, STA/AP BI must match, radar detect widths: { 20 MHz (no HT), 20 MHz, 40 MHz, 80 MHz, 80+80 MHz, 160 MHz }

        HT Capability overrides:
                 * MCS: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
                 * maximum A-MSDU length
                 * supported channel width
                 * short GI for 40 MHz
                 * max A-MPDU length exponent
                 * min MPDU start spacing
        max # scan plans: 1
        max scan plan interval: -1
        max scan plan iterations: 0
        Supported extended features:
                * [ VHT_IBSS ]: VHT-IBSS
                * [ RRM ]: RRM
                * [ BEACON_RATE_LEGACY ]: legacy beacon rate setting
                * [ BEACON_RATE_HT ]: HT beacon rate setting
                * [ BEACON_RATE_VHT ]: VHT beacon rate setting
                * [ FILS_STA ]: STA FILS (Fast Initial Link Setup)
                * [ CQM_RSSI_LIST ]: multiple CQM_RSSI_THOLD records
                * [ CONTROL_PORT_OVER_NL80211 ]: control port over nl80211
                * [ ACK_SIGNAL_SUPPORT ]: ack signal level support
                * [ TXQS ]: FQ-CoDel-enabled intermediate TXQs
                * [ SCAN_RANDOM_SN ]: use random sequence numbers in scans
                * [ SCAN_MIN_PREQ_CONTENT ]: use probe request with only rate IEs in scans
                * [ AIRTIME_FAIRNESS ]: airtime fairness scheduling
                * [ AQL ]: Airtime Queue Limits (AQL)
                * [ CONTROL_PORT_NO_PREAUTH ]: disable pre-auth over nl80211 control port support
                * [ DEL_IBSS_STA ]: deletion of IBSS station support
                * [ SCAN_FREQ_KHZ ]: scan on kHz frequency support
                * [ CONTROL_PORT_OVER_NL80211_TX_STATUS ]: tx status for nl80211 control port support
                * [ FILS_DISCOVERY ]: FILS discovery frame transmission support
                * [ UNSOL_BCAST_PROBE_RESP ]: unsolicated broadcast probe response transmission support
                * [ BEACON_RATE_HE ]: HE beacon rate support (AP/mesh)
                * [ BSS_COLOR ]: BSS coloring support
Wiphy phy0
        wiphy index: 0
        max # scan SSIDs: 4
        max scan IEs length: 2200 bytes
        max # sched scan SSIDs: 0
        max # match sets: 0
        Retry short limit: 7
        Retry long limit: 4
        Coverage class: 0 (up to 0m)
        Device supports AP-side u-APSD.
        Device supports T-DLS.
        Available Antennas: TX 0x3 RX 0x3
        Configured Antennas: TX 0x3 RX 0x3
        Supported interface modes:
                 * IBSS
                 * managed
                 * AP
                 * AP/VLAN
                 * monitor
                 * mesh point
                 * P2P-client
                 * P2P-GO
        Band 1:
                Capabilities: 0x9ff
                        RX LDPC
                        HT20/HT40
                        SM Power Save disabled
                        RX Greenfield
                        RX HT20 SGI
                        RX HT40 SGI
                        TX STBC
                        RX STBC 1-stream
                        Max AMSDU length: 7935 bytes
                        No DSSS/CCK HT40
                Maximum RX AMPDU length 65535 bytes (exponent: 0x003)
                Minimum RX AMPDU time spacing: 4 usec (0x05)
                HT TX/RX MCS rate indexes supported: 0-15
                HE Iftypes: managed
                        HE MAC Capabilities (0x08011a000040):
                                +HTC HE Supported
                                Trigger Frame MAC Padding Duration: 2
                                OM Control
                                Maximum A-MPDU Length Exponent: 3
                                A-MSDU in A-MPDU
                        HE PHY Capabilities: (0x22700e120d00f30e423f00):
                                HE40/2.4GHz
                                242 tone RUs/2.4GHz
                                Device Class: 1
                                LDPC Coding in Payload
                                HE SU PPDU with 1x HE-LTF and 0.8us GI
                                NDP with 4x HE-LTF and 3.2us GI
                                STBC Tx <= 80MHz
                                STBC Rx <= 80MHz
                                DCM Max Constellation: 2
                                DCM Max Constellation Rx: 2
                                SU Beamformee
                                Beamformee STS <= 80Mhz: 3
                                Codebook Size SU Feedback
                                Codebook Size MU Feedback
                                Triggered CQI Feedback
                                Partial Bandwidth Extended Range
                                Partial Bandwidth DL MU-MIMO
                                PPE Threshold Present
                                Power Boost Factor ar
                                HE SU PPDU & HE PPDU 4x HE-LTF 0.8us GI
                                Max NC: 1
                                20MHz in 40MHz HE PPDU 2.4GHz
                                DCM Max BW: 1
                                Longer Than 16HE SIG-B OFDM Symbols
                                Non-Triggered CQI Feedback
                                TX 1024-QAM
                                RX 1024-QAM
                                RX Full BW SU Using HE MU PPDU with Compression SIGB
                                RX Full BW SU Using HE MU PPDU with Non-Compression SIGB
                        HE RX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                3 streams: not supported
                                4 streams: not supported
                                5 streams: not supported
                                6 streams: not supported
                                7 streams: not supported
                                8 streams: not supported
                        HE TX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                3 streams: not supported
                                4 streams: not supported
                                5 streams: not supported
                                6 streams: not supported
                                7 streams: not supported
                                8 streams: not supported
                        PPE Threshold 0x39 0x1c 0xc7 0x71 0x1c 0x07
                EHT Iftypes: managed
                        EHT MAC Capabilities (0x0000):
                        EHT PHY Capabilities: (0x0000000000000000):
                        EHT MCS/NSS: (0x):
                        EHT bw=20 MHz, max NSS for MCS 0-7: Rx=0, Tx=0
                        EHT bw=20 MHz, max NSS for MCS 8-9: Rx=0, Tx=0
                        EHT bw=20 MHz, max NSS for MCS 10-11: Rx=0, Tx=0
                        EHT bw=20 MHz, max NSS for MCS 12-13: Rx=0, Tx=0
                HE Iftypes: AP
                        HE MAC Capabilities (0x00051a081044):
                                +HTC HE Supported
                                TWT Responder
                                BSR
                                OM Control
                                Maximum A-MPDU Length Exponent: 3
                                BQR
                                A-MSDU in A-MPDU
                                OM Control UL MU Data Disable RX
                        HE PHY Capabilities: (0x02200e920f01af08000c00):
                                HE40/2.4GHz
                                LDPC Coding in Payload
                                NDP with 4x HE-LTF and 3.2us GI
                                STBC Tx <= 80MHz
                                STBC Rx <= 80MHz
                                DCM Max Constellation: 2
                                DCM Max Constellation Rx: 2
                                SU Beamformer
                                SU Beamformee
                                MU Beamformer
                                Beamformee STS <= 80Mhz: 3
                                Sounding Dimensions <= 80Mhz: 1
                                Codebook Size SU Feedback
                                Codebook Size MU Feedback
                                Triggered SU Beamforming Feedback
                                Triggered MU Beamforming Feedback
                                Partial Bandwidth Extended Range
                                PPE Threshold Present
                                Max NC: 1
                                TX 1024-QAM
                                RX 1024-QAM
                        HE RX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                3 streams: not supported
                                4 streams: not supported
                                5 streams: not supported
                                6 streams: not supported
                                7 streams: not supported
                                8 streams: not supported
                        HE TX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                3 streams: not supported
                                4 streams: not supported
                                5 streams: not supported
                                6 streams: not supported
                                7 streams: not supported
                                8 streams: not supported
                        PPE Threshold 0x39 0x1c 0xc7 0x71 0x1c 0x07
                EHT Iftypes: AP
                        EHT MAC Capabilities (0x0000):
                        EHT PHY Capabilities: (0x0000000000000000):
                        EHT MCS/NSS: (0x):
                        EHT bw=20 MHz, max NSS for MCS 0-7: Rx=0, Tx=0
                        EHT bw=20 MHz, max NSS for MCS 8-9: Rx=0, Tx=0
                        EHT bw=20 MHz, max NSS for MCS 10-11: Rx=0, Tx=0
                        EHT bw=20 MHz, max NSS for MCS 12-13: Rx=0, Tx=0
                HE Iftypes: mesh point
                        HE MAC Capabilities (0x00011a000040):
                                +HTC HE Supported
                                OM Control
                                Maximum A-MPDU Length Exponent: 3
                                A-MSDU in A-MPDU
                        HE PHY Capabilities: (0x02200c0000000000008000):
                                HE40/2.4GHz
                                LDPC Coding in Payload
                                STBC Tx <= 80MHz
                                STBC Rx <= 80MHz
                        HE RX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                3 streams: not supported
                                4 streams: not supported
                                5 streams: not supported
                                6 streams: not supported
                                7 streams: not supported
                                8 streams: not supported
                        HE TX MCS and NSS set <= 80 MHz
                                1 streams: MCS 0-11
                                2 streams: MCS 0-11
                                3 streams: not supported
                                4 streams: not supported
                                5 streams: not supported
                                6 streams: not supported
                                7 streams: not supported
                                8 streams: not supported
                EHT Iftypes: mesh point
                        EHT MAC Capabilities (0x0000):
                        EHT PHY Capabilities: (0x0000000000000000):
                        EHT MCS/NSS: (0x):
                        EHT bw=20 MHz, max NSS for MCS 0-7: Rx=0, Tx=0
                        EHT bw=20 MHz, max NSS for MCS 8-9: Rx=0, Tx=0
                        EHT bw=20 MHz, max NSS for MCS 10-11: Rx=0, Tx=0
                        EHT bw=20 MHz, max NSS for MCS 12-13: Rx=0, Tx=0
                Frequencies:
                        * 2412 MHz [1] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2417 MHz [2] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2422 MHz [3] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2427 MHz [4] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2432 MHz [5] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2437 MHz [6] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2442 MHz [7] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2447 MHz [8] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2452 MHz [9] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2457 MHz [10] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2462 MHz [11] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2467 MHz [12] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2472 MHz [13] (20.0 dBm)
                        * 2484 MHz [14] (disabled)
        valid interface combinations:
                 * #{ IBSS } <= 1, #{ AP, mesh point } <= 16, #{ managed } <= 19,
                   total <= 19, #channels <= 1, STA/AP BI must match, radar detect widths: { 20 MHz (no HT), 20 MHz, 40 MHz, 80 MHz, 80+80 MHz, 160 MHz }

        HT Capability overrides:
                 * MCS: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
                 * maximum A-MSDU length
                 * supported channel width
                 * short GI for 40 MHz
                 * max A-MPDU length exponent
                 * min MPDU start spacing
        max # scan plans: 1
        max scan plan interval: -1
        max scan plan iterations: 0
        Supported extended features:
                * [ VHT_IBSS ]: VHT-IBSS
                * [ RRM ]: RRM
                * [ BEACON_RATE_LEGACY ]: legacy beacon rate setting
                * [ BEACON_RATE_HT ]: HT beacon rate setting
                * [ BEACON_RATE_VHT ]: VHT beacon rate setting
                * [ FILS_STA ]: STA FILS (Fast Initial Link Setup)
                * [ CQM_RSSI_LIST ]: multiple CQM_RSSI_THOLD records
                * [ CONTROL_PORT_OVER_NL80211 ]: control port over nl80211
                * [ ACK_SIGNAL_SUPPORT ]: ack signal level support
                * [ TXQS ]: FQ-CoDel-enabled intermediate TXQs
                * [ SCAN_RANDOM_SN ]: use random sequence numbers in scans
                * [ SCAN_MIN_PREQ_CONTENT ]: use probe request with only rate IEs in scans
                * [ AIRTIME_FAIRNESS ]: airtime fairness scheduling
                * [ AQL ]: Airtime Queue Limits (AQL)
                * [ CONTROL_PORT_NO_PREAUTH ]: disable pre-auth over nl80211 control port support
                * [ DEL_IBSS_STA ]: deletion of IBSS station support
                * [ SCAN_FREQ_KHZ ]: scan on kHz frequency support
                * [ CONTROL_PORT_OVER_NL80211_TX_STATUS ]: tx status for nl80211 control port support
                * [ FILS_DISCOVERY ]: FILS discovery frame transmission support
                * [ UNSOL_BCAST_PROBE_RESP ]: unsolicated broadcast probe response transmission support
                * [ BEACON_RATE_HE ]: HE beacon rate support (AP/mesh)
                * [ BSS_COLOR ]: BSS coloring support

Also, you might find RT-AX1800U cheaper than RT-AX53U in some places, they are identical.

Thanks, seems to be worth a try replacing some really old APs.

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